Bad trader : @ayearetee (craziest story ever)

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  1. pumpkinsmasher

    pumpkinsmasher Zealot (527) Nov 12, 2013 New York
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    I wanted to get the community's advice on a trade (if this is too long, I've put a recap section further down). As you can see from my profile, I have been here for several years and have done close to 100 trades here (and even more if you count a few other places). Anyway, I had something happen to me with a trade that I have never had happened before and am wondering what the best action to take is.

    I live in NYC and happened to make my way out to LA for work this week. I decided to put up a couple of ISO requests for IP trades and arranged some trades. I packed everything with me and was set. The night I arrived (which was this past Weds), I visited Bottle Logic.

    One of the traders (that I had brought several bottles out to swap with) mentioned that he was on the way to Bottle Logic and said we could meet at his exit off of the interstate. I told him that was fine by me and that I would text him when I was leaving LA. He texted me a bit before I left and mentioned that because of the time I was heading to Anaheim, there would be lots of traffic and that it might be easier to meet up on my return home. I told him that would be fine, although I said I would be staying until Bottle Logic closed, so it would be on the later side. He said that was fine and requested I come to an actual address, which I agreed to do.

    I left Bottle Logic at 10:15 and told him I was grabbing some food and would be on my way, arriving a little bit after 11pm. He doesn't respond, but there wasn't a huge need for a response. I arrived at the at the residential address he provided me at close to 11:10. I send him a text and told him I had arrived. Crickets. I waited about 10 minutes, and send another text. Crickets. After another 10 minutes, I decided to call, and I get a voicemail and I left a message. It's now been 30 minutes or so and because it's late and I don't know if there are kids or people who wake up early, I opt not to go to the door. I then sent him a note on BA, got nothing there. I believe I texted/called one more time, but again, didn't get anything.

    At this point, it's been an hour. I decided to then adjust my car in the driveway so that the lights would hit the windows. I figured that would be the least rude way to maybe get someone's attention without startling someone with a doorbell. After a few minutes, a guy walked outside and approached my car and asked if he could help me. I asked him if he was the guy I'm supposed to be beer trading with and he said he was not and that he doesn't trade beer and had no knowledge of anything beer trading wise. He asked where I came from and I told him Anaheim and he thought that was far to have traveled. I apologized profusely for bothering or disturbing him. I double checked the address with him I was given and he said it was correct, but no one by the name of that beer trader lived there.

    By this time, I had been at this address for 70 minutes and called it quits. When I woke up the next morning, I did confirm that this trader had read my message to him on BA about the night before and he did not respond. I sent him another message, asking him if he still wanted to make the swap. He read that and also did not respond. I also want to be clear that I never was rude to this individual in return either at any stage.

    So to recap:

    - Trader agreed to IP trade, which required me to pack several bottles to trade
    - We make arrangements, trader asks to change the timing and I accommodate
    - Trader then asks me to meet him exactly where he is, which was off my travel path but I agreed
    - I show up, wait over 70 minutes, trader is a no-show and makes no attempts to cancel the trade or provide an explanation. This is problematic for a variety of reasons, one of which could have been that he may have lied and I actually met him or he may have put my own safety in jeopardy by directing me to a stranger's house (I'm still really weirded out by this)
    - Followup attempts were made to try to complete the trade, trader ignores and never gives any explanation


    Sorry for the long-winded story, but my question now is, what should happen here? Negative feedback? Should this guy be put on blast publicly? I have no idea what the protocol here should be. As angry as I am at all of the above, what maybe annoys me most is I don't make it out here that often and I packed several bottles for this trade in my suitcase that I now have to cart back. Space that could have been used for bottle purchases out here that I can't get in NYC. In addition, I shut out another IP trade opportunity in favor of this person because I had no more suitcase space left, which also is a major regret.

    Any/All feedback is appreciated.
     
    #1 pumpkinsmasher, Nov 12, 2017
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  2. jrnyc

    jrnyc Grand Pooh-Bah (3,012) Mar 21, 2010 New York
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    Wow, crazy story. There are two sides to every story, but if this is all true and there is no rational explanation from the other trader, this is really dbag behavior by him. Also, actually feels a bit creepy to be sent to an address that for whatever reason was not the address. For doing IP trades doing them in a public place may be the best way to do it.

    In my eyes, he agreed to trade, never showed to trade you beer he agreed to, bad feedback is fair game.
     
    #2 jrnyc, Nov 12, 2017
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  3. jrnyc

    jrnyc Grand Pooh-Bah (3,012) Mar 21, 2010 New York
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    And I think you should put him on blast too. Maybe text one more time asking for an explanation, if no response @mention him in this thread.
     
    #3 jrnyc, Nov 12, 2017
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  4. Victory_Sabre1973

    Victory_Sabre1973 Grand Pooh-Bah (5,445) Sep 15, 2015 Minnesota
    BA4LYFE Society Pooh-Bah Trader

    I'd give hime one more chance - text, BA PM. If no response, then tag him on here, and the proper MOD also. Even if a trade happens, a neutral would be in order, based on the circumstances.
     
    #4 Victory_Sabre1973, Nov 12, 2017
  5. Bum4ever

    Bum4ever Pooh-Bah (1,838) Jan 18, 2017 California
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    Honestly whatever the reason is, even if it's a good one, I think you should name the trader. Ghosting on an IP trade day of, with no communication, is bad enough by itself. Add in the fact that the trader gave you a bad address and I think people should know before hand that may trade with said trader in the future.

    This is very similar to the most recent bad trader thread, and that guy got banned because even though he didn't steal beer, he handled the whole situation like a dbag.

    Also tagging the guy here would probably get his side of the story out fastest.
     
    #5 Bum4ever, Nov 12, 2017
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  6. pumpkinsmasher

    pumpkinsmasher Zealot (527) Nov 12, 2013 New York
    Trader

    I assume the mods have access to my PMs? More than happy to screenshot PMs and all of the text message exchanges I had with this individual to corroborate my story.

    I'm actually in LA for another 24 hours. I went ahead and sent him another PM and text message to see again if he'll make good on the agreed upon trade as suggested in this thread. I will update here when I do (or don't) hear anything further.
     
    #6 pumpkinsmasher, Nov 12, 2017
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  7. Vidblain

    Vidblain Pooh-Bah (1,893) Feb 17, 2017 Minnesota
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    Unless he has adequate reason (which is doubtful, given he had time to read all of your messages on Beer Advocate), this should already be in the bad trader thread. You traveled with beer for him, he ghosted you, he sent you to a location which was not only out of your way, but not even his own address... this is just a horrible list of transgressions. I hate to jump the gun, but unless something awful happened to said trader - I would really like to know who this person is, such that I never have to deal with them.

    Also: quite sorry that this happened to you. Hope that, somehow, this has a positive resolution. Hoping that your experience at Bottle Logic was markedly better? I'd sure like to get there myself some time.
     
    #7 Vidblain, Nov 13, 2017
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  8. mythaeus

    mythaeus Pooh-Bah (2,074) Jul 22, 2013 Pennsylvania
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    If the trade was accepted and it's an experience you wished you'll never have to go through again or that no one else should have to go through, it's a negative feedback. Your experience well-exceeded those criteria...and...HOLY SHIT!!!
     
    #8 mythaeus, Nov 13, 2017
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  9. SoCal_Matt

    SoCal_Matt Savant (1,012) Jul 13, 2014 California
    Trader

    100% agree that this should already be in the "Bad Trader" thread. I'd also love to hear an adequate excuse for sending someone to an address that wasn't theirs. I would be absolutely furious if this happened to me. Honestly, I think it's a little dangerous. Some people may not react as well as that homeowner did to someone sitting in their driveway late at night flashing their lights at their windows or may even call the police. This situation could have gone a lot worse than it did and this trader needs to be tagged as no one should have to deal with something like this.
     
    #9 SoCal_Matt, Nov 13, 2017
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  10. Vidblain

    Vidblain Pooh-Bah (1,893) Feb 17, 2017 Minnesota
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    Absolutely true - I sure would have. This trader put you in to a potentially dangerous situation, OP. Good call @SoCal_Matt !
     
    #10 Vidblain, Nov 13, 2017
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  11. dwmetsfan13

    dwmetsfan13 Pundit (784) Jul 22, 2013 Massachusetts
    Trader

    Potentially even more ridiculous scenario than the one you suggested - the guy who walked out of the house actually was him and he's a great actor.
     
    #11 dwmetsfan13, Nov 13, 2017
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  12. John_M

    John_M Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,849) Oct 25, 2003 Washington
    Mod Team Society Pooh-Bah Trader

    Reading over the OP, I keep on thinking there must be more to this then what I'm reading. Surely this can't be the whole story.

    Assuming this is accurate, what kind of person would do something like that? Sending someone unfamiliar with the area to a fictitious address is more than just a douchebag move, it's potentially a very dangerous one (as SoCal_matt pointed out).

    What do you think @dmbforever?

    While I think it a good idea to take a look at the conversation posts alluded to by the OP first, my take otherwise is that this thread should be moved over to the Bad Trader forum. Certainly there are two sides to every story, and maybe we'll hear something that will cast this in a different light, but I really do not like the sounds of this story.
     
    #12 John_M, Nov 13, 2017
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  13. dmbforever

    dmbforever Initiate (0) May 8, 2013 Wisconsin
    Trader

    WOW!!!...I somehow dont want to believe this is true.

    There have been some crazy trading stories over the years, but this by far exceeds any by a long shot and is extremely bizarre (scary) to say the least.

    Who the hell sends someone the wrong address *knowingly* to someone who doesnt live in the state for an IP trade?

    If this is all true....theres not a reason in the world that is acceptable for giving the wrong address *knowingly* and putting someone in danger....especially at night in an unfamiliar territory for the OP.

    @pumpkinsmasher

    Message coming from me

    Cheers!
    Dave
     
    #13 dmbforever, Nov 14, 2017
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  14. PrestigeWorldwide

    PrestigeWorldwide Initiate (0) Sep 22, 2015 Michigan
    Trader

    No one in their right mind would do this right???

    Sheesh...

    Standing someone up for an IP trade that flies in with bottles is bad trader territory. Sending them to a wrong address in the middle of the night and ghosting them ..that's just bad human being territory.
     
    #14 PrestigeWorldwide, Nov 14, 2017
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  15. dmbforever

    dmbforever Initiate (0) May 8, 2013 Wisconsin
    Trader

    Threads been moved to the appropriate forum.

    I'd like to read the convo first, as I still cant believe someone would actually do this to someone else.

    Stay tuned...
     
    #15 dmbforever, Nov 14, 2017
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  16. rozzom

    rozzom Pooh-Bah (2,620) Jan 22, 2011 New York
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    I just watched the final episode of Mindhunter on Netflix and then came straight across this thread. Tripped out
     
    #16 rozzom, Nov 14, 2017
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  17. CheChe

    CheChe Initiate (0) Aug 4, 2014 Texas

    If the trade was agreed on BA 100% deserves to be called out and bad feedback. This one goes a lot deeper than the ones we’ve seen on here recently. Giving an actual address to drive to is new to me
     
    #17 CheChe, Nov 14, 2017
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  18. 4truth

    4truth Pundit (806) Jan 30, 2015 Illinois
    Trader

    I see feedback from today for two IP California trades, one mentioning a "tight window". Probably blew off your meetup for those.

    Asking an out-of-towner to go to a specific residential address in an unfamiliar town is total douchebag, Craigslist shit. You spent 70 minutes in the Twilight Zone, not even counting your travel time for this jerkoff. You went well above and beyond and he didn't show and didn't respond to communication after reading your messages. Bad trader, hard stop.
     
    #18 4truth, Nov 14, 2017
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  19. FBarber

    FBarber Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,325) Mar 5, 2016 Illinois
    Mod Team BA4LYFE Society Pooh-Bah Trader

    Just to clarify, @pumpkinsmasher is the OP who was stood up.
     
    #19 FBarber, Nov 14, 2017
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  20. 4truth

    4truth Pundit (806) Jan 30, 2015 Illinois
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    Aha indeed, thanks - will edit my post. Would like to know who is BT in question...
     
    #20 4truth, Nov 14, 2017
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