Adjuncts acceptable now?

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  1. LarryV

    LarryV Grand Pooh-Bah (5,408) Jun 13, 2001 Massachusetts
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    So we've slammed beers like Bud, Miller etc as American Adjunct Lagers. Adjunct seems to be a derogatory term when referring to these beers. Yet, it seems like the use of adjuncts is widespread and continuing to grow and as long you're not a macro-brewer, it's okay. Things like mangoes, grapefruit, oranges, peppers, spices, other various fruits etc, are these not adjuncts? I'm finding it harder and harder to find a new beer that doesn't include some adjunct to make it juicier, or more citrusy etc. So if you're a macro brewer, adjuncts are not acceptable, otherwise they're fine?
     
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  2. MNAle

    MNAle Initiate (0) Sep 6, 2011 Minnesota

    No.

    At least, not all of them are. The term "adjuncts" as it applies to brewing is often misused to mean "other ingredients" in general. But, that is not what the term means. An adjunct is a non-malt source of fermentable sugars. So, spices, coffee, etc. are not adjuncts. Oats, rice, unmalted barley, maple syrup etc., are adjuncts. The fruit could be, if it is used as a source of fermentable sugars.
     
  3. chrismattlin

    chrismattlin Pooh-Bah (1,663) May 10, 2014 Ohio
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    It seems adjuncts are acceptable now: I recently noticed how Budweiser is touting its use of rice.

    Before long, "Joe Six Pack" will be telling everyone how he doesn't like beer without rice in it. :grimacing:
     
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  4. BBThunderbolt

    BBThunderbolt Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,846) Sep 24, 2007 Kiribati
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    This topic will be nerd-level hairsplitting to the Nth degree. I realize that the term "adjunct" is generally used as a negative around here, but, I do see coffee, maple, spices, fruit, et al, as adjuncts.

    Maybe if it's one of "our" breweries using adjuncts, it's OK, but, if one of "theirs" does, it's not?
     
  5. MNAle

    MNAle Initiate (0) Sep 6, 2011 Minnesota

    If it is not malt and is eaten by yeast, it's an adjunct. If it isn't, it isn't. I wouldn't call that "nerd level" to any degree. It is a simple definition.
     
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  6. BirdsandHops

    BirdsandHops Grand Pooh-Bah (3,061) Apr 14, 2008 Oregon
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    I don't think adjuncts themselves were ever not accepted since that would rule out even classic styles like oatmeal/milk stouts, every type of wheat or rye beer, every beer that used fruit in fermentation, etc. I think it was specifically the macro adjunct lagers that were frowned upon for the obvious reasons.

    Edit: I forgot to include braggots in my list! I had completely forgotten about the style. I feel like I haven't had one in many years--maybe Weyerbacher's anniversary braggot several years ago? Can braggots come into style please? Maybe replace some of the thirteen billion fruited kettle sours out there?

    Second Edit: Ah, it was Weyerbacher's 16th Anniversary beer that was a braggot in the long-long-ago of 2011.
     
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  7. BBThunderbolt

    BBThunderbolt Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,846) Sep 24, 2007 Kiribati
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    A quick look at dictionary.com tells me that an "adjunct" is something added to something but not required for it.

    Thus, nerd-level hairsplitting. Are bourbon, coffee, mango, whatever, "required" to make beer? IMHO, no.
     
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  8. eldoctorador

    eldoctorador Pooh-Bah (2,096) Dec 12, 2014 Chile
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    I don't think what OP mentions fit the definition of adjuncts, but I'm positive there's a double standard in how macro and micros are judged in whatever category
     
  9. jasonmason

    jasonmason Zealot (742) Oct 6, 2004 California
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    I'm holding out for the NE IPA classification to be changed to American Adjunct IPA.

    That actually would be awesome, just to see the collective freakout.
     
  10. marquis

    marquis Pooh-Bah (2,313) Nov 20, 2005 England
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    Adjuncts were originally called "malt adjuncts" and were substances added to the grist which used the enzymes in the malt to extract fermentable sugars.
    They enabled the use of poor quality continental malts which did not give sufficiently clear brews.
    The term has been relaxed to include fermentable additions but certainly not flavourings
     
  11. marquis

    marquis Pooh-Bah (2,313) Nov 20, 2005 England
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    As an afterthought,rice was used in Germany to dilute the nitrogen content of the malt available. This spread to the US ,not because it was cheaper - it was more expensive- but so local barley could be used. Other brewers used corn or potatoes.
    British brewers used sugar after 1840, not of course refined white sugars but ones with lovely flavours still in them. A properly brewed mild using #3 or #4 brewing sugars remains my favourite beer.
    Sugar would not have been regarded as an adjunct then but nowadays it is often treated as one.
     
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  12. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    Not exactly "new" for Anheuser-Busch to highlight the rice in Budweiser.
    [​IMG]

    They started noting their use of rice on the Budweiser label sometime in the early 1900s and Adolphus Busch discussed it in front of Congress during 1902's Pure Food Hearings:

     
  13. TongoRad

    TongoRad Grand Pooh-Bah (3,884) Jun 3, 2004 New Jersey
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    They were never unacceptable.
     
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  14. MNAle

    MNAle Initiate (0) Sep 6, 2011 Minnesota

    Context is everything.

    What does "static" mean?

    Well, are you listening to the radio, describing an object, doing laundry... ?
     
  15. marquis

    marquis Pooh-Bah (2,313) Nov 20, 2005 England
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    In particular, words used in a brewing context are often jargon. When a brewer talks about "liquor" he means water. When he talks about adjuncts he does not mean the same thing as a grammarian.It has a specific meaning to serve his purposes.
    Much of the misunderstanding about brewing has arisen from not realising this.Everything from "starting" a cask to "barrel" has a specific interpretation unlike the everyday use.
     
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  16. jageraholic

    jageraholic Pooh-Bah (1,632) Sep 16, 2009 Massachusetts
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    so is sugar an adjunct (used to boose alcohol and keep mouthfeel lighter and dry)?
     
  17. jageraholic

    jageraholic Pooh-Bah (1,632) Sep 16, 2009 Massachusetts
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    That doesn't really make sense. what makes it adjunct? And if my question above is a yes, then actually most west coast DIPAs would be the american adjunct IPA.
     
  18. nc41

    nc41 Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    Definitions aside why wouldn't adjuncts be ok? If a beers good it's good, it doesn't need to get any more complicated than that, at least IMO.
     
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  19. marquis

    marquis Pooh-Bah (2,313) Nov 20, 2005 England
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    Technically not in the original sense of requiring enzymes to provide fermentables. But loosely it sometimes is accepted as one by many users.
    The original meaning was because malt has excess enzymes and many ingredients need these to set free their sugars they go together ,each needs the other. Not just added ingredients.
     
  20. TongoRad

    TongoRad Grand Pooh-Bah (3,884) Jun 3, 2004 New Jersey
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    Many of them have oats or wheat for mouthfeel.
     
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