New here beer question.

Discussion in 'Homebrewing' started by PNW_IPA, Nov 18, 2017.

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  1. PNW_IPA

    PNW_IPA Initiate (0) Nov 18, 2017 Washington

    I am brewing my 2 batch of IPA. The first went well and the 2nd well I think is doing good but not too sure. It took 24 hrs before the yeast started to take off. Then about the 4th day I wasn't getting any airlock action. Now it is day 6 and still nothing. I removed the airlock and stopper to get a quick smell of the beer and it smells like beer. So my question is, is my beer done or should I leave it be and go a bit longer?
     
  2. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    It's probably done with attenuation. Do you have a hydrometer? If so, take a reading, wait 2 or 3 days and take another. If they are the same and close to what you were expecting, it's finished.
     
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  3. PNW_IPA

    PNW_IPA Initiate (0) Nov 18, 2017 Washington

    Hi thanks, I took the reading and it is actually close to what it is suppose to be so I transferred it to the 2nd fermentation bucket with the dry hops. So I am good now thanks.
     
  4. Prep8611

    Prep8611 Savant (1,208) Aug 22, 2014 New Jersey

    In the future you don't need secondary.
     
  5. invertalon

    invertalon Pooh-Bah (2,249) Jan 27, 2009 Ohio
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    Yeah, skip the secondary and avoid the oxidation risk. And 4-5 days to hit FG is not uncommon in many ale fermentation's.
     
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  6. jbakajust1

    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,552) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
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    While 4-6 days for fermentation to finish isn't uncommon, I doubt that the yeast were done cleaning up fermentation by products and off flavors bringing your beer to a more mature flavor. Don't rush the process. Allow the yeast to do everything it is supposed to do, not just make alcohol and CO2. And as stated above, don't use a secondary, it risks oxidation and removes the beer from the yeast that still needs to do clean up work.
     
  7. PNW_IPA

    PNW_IPA Initiate (0) Nov 18, 2017 Washington

    Cool thanks for the advice. I will start to do that.
     
  8. Bryan12345

    Bryan12345 Initiate (0) Mar 17, 2016 Texas

    Sigh. Plenty of us still rack to a secondary with zero negative results. Be careful about what you believe from the internet - the quickest feedback you get is not always gospel.

    Have fun! :slight_smile:
     
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  9. Prep8611

    Prep8611 Savant (1,208) Aug 22, 2014 New Jersey

    With what benefit?
     
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  10. GormBrewhouse

    GormBrewhouse Pooh-Bah (2,111) Jun 24, 2015 Vermont
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    Well, for starters, better clarity without using clarifiers, imperial stouts ageing on wood, nibs, fruit and other products without the auto lysis and again better fining, preserving yeast cakes and other benefits others may wish to list.

    I have plenty of pals who never secondary and they brew great beer. To each there own. 1 persons way is not always the best for another.
     
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  11. TooHopTooHandle

    TooHopTooHandle Initiate (0) Dec 20, 2016 New York

    I'm not saying racking to a secondary is wrong at all, after all its your home brew and you can choose to do what you wish with it. I just don't see the need for secondary unless you are going be racking it on to fruit, oak chips, any other type of adjunct, or needing to age something. Everything can be accomplished in the same vessel which reduces your risk of getting an infection or exposing it to oxygen.
     
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  12. Bryan12345

    Bryan12345 Initiate (0) Mar 17, 2016 Texas

    ^^^ Well said. And all true. But overly simplistic comments like “skip the secondary” and “you don’t need secondary,” while well-meaning and valid opinions, are not facts. There are many ways to brew fine tasting beer, I just ask that we not shut the door on the kid for a particular technique :slight_smile:

    RDWHAHB :slight_smile:
     
  13. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    I use secondary for bulk aging and conditioning. That's it. I dryhop in primary, I add tinctures and flavorings in primary or at bottling. My beer is better for it, and it appeals to my KISS brewing technique.
     
  14. Bryan12345

    Bryan12345 Initiate (0) Mar 17, 2016 Texas

    ^^^ Awesome. And those are all valid points that a new home brewer should consider. But I think you’ll agree that that one opinion is not the be-all-end-all of homebrewing :slight_smile:
     
  15. Prep8611

    Prep8611 Savant (1,208) Aug 22, 2014 New Jersey

    I just used a secondary vessel for strawberries a couple days ago. I was speaking no need to secondary for the OP's situation. Not never just not in this situation.
     
  16. JohnnyChicago

    JohnnyChicago Initiate (0) Sep 3, 2010 Illinois

    FWIW, risk of autolysis on the homebrew level in the average beer, is next to zero. Not saying there are no benefits to secondary, but you are much more likely to pick up oxygen by transferring than you to encounter any autolysis by using only a primary.
    Secondary is mostly just an old-school winemaking (and pro brewing) carry-over that offers little advantages and several disadvantages to the homebrewer.
     
  17. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    I used to rattle my sabres over this too. I have since rethought a few other things that used to be hard fast brewing rules. I'm not so worried about trub. I'm not so worried about leaving my beer on a yeast cake. I'm not worried about DMS or hitting my numbers either.
     
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  18. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    I'm also curious about this whole "secondary clears your beer faster" theory. Brite tanks exist for bulk conditioning, not for faster clarification. That's the job of finings, filters, and centrifuges.
     
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  19. PNW_IPA

    PNW_IPA Initiate (0) Nov 18, 2017 Washington

    Thanks for all the comments everyone. I take it all in consideration. I had good luck with the first batch transferring to a second fermenter so I did it with the second batch. I will see what comes of it. I might try not to transfer the next time and see if it make a difference.
     
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  20. Bryan12345

    Bryan12345 Initiate (0) Mar 17, 2016 Texas

    Sigh again. I’m in an internet arguement with strangers trying to simply reopen a door that should never have been closed. Silly me.

    My fault. I’m out.
     
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