What is journalism coming to?

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by NeroFiddled, Feb 5, 2018.

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How many errors can you find in this article?

  1. 0 - It's perfect.

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  2. 1 - Is even one OK?

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  3. 2 to 4 - But I found it really funny!

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  4. 5 or more - It makes me angry, misguiding people instead of teaching them.

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  1. NeroFiddled

    NeroFiddled Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,276) Jul 8, 2002 Pennsylvania
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    I hope this article hasn't been covered before; I just got it in my inbox and found it littered with false statements. It's completely laughable except that it's feeding false information to the public, which is something that a proper journalist would never do. It really is "fake news". Most of it would have been easy to research as well, which just makes it even worse.

    Here are just a few things I noted:

    Session IPA - "... historically, the style is 4% and below". Really, I didn't know session IPAs even were historic!

    British IPA - "...British sailors, while sailing to India, loaded up barrels of beer with hops...". And here I thought it was the brewers that did it on dry land before setting sail.

    New England Style IPA - "...has extremely low bitterness from using blends of hops that lend intense, fruity flavor". Extremely low bitterness? And that comes from using blends of hops? But this style listing is the best one, you've really got to read it for yourself, so I'll stop there and let you come up with your own discoveries. Have fun!
     
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  2. NeroFiddled

    NeroFiddled Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,276) Jul 8, 2002 Pennsylvania
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  3. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    "British IPAs are malty, bitter, and one-noted."

    Wouldn't that be two noted? :grin:

    Seriously, Bon Appétit should stick to food -- it's like this story was written as quick filler to jump on the IPA bandwagon.
     
  4. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    If you want this article to be properly critiqued, @jesskidden is da man!!

    Cheers!
     
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  5. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

  6. THANAT0PSIS

    THANAT0PSIS Pooh-Bah (2,275) Aug 3, 2010 Wisconsin
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    This was embarrassing.

    English IPAs (not "British" at least in that I've ever heard it) are far from "one-note" and have a lot of yeast-driven flavor as well as hop-driven flavor.

    Belgian IPAs don't taste English at all, generally.

    New England IPAs "...tend to be fermented to have lower carbonation." Firstly, this sentence is poorly written and could be interpreted to have emphasis on "fermented," implying that other styles of IPA aren't fermented. It's obvious that it isn't what that means, but it's written ambiguously. Secondly, correct me if I am wrong, but most commercial breweries adjust the carb in different ways than via fermentation, no?

    It implies (possibly in jest) that West Coast IPAs are called as such because of their citrus fruitiness (and I guess citrus is associated with the West Coast?).

    Session IPAs don't necessarily have less body than normal IPAs (though often they do).

    The amateurish tone of the article is actually what most rubs me the wrong way.

    At least they included East Coast IPAs, which many don't really recognize these days, though I believe them to be a distinct style best represented by Dogfish Head 60 Minute.
     
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  7. NeroFiddled

    NeroFiddled Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,276) Jul 8, 2002 Pennsylvania
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    I was hoping you guys would add some of the other little gems as we go along, kind of making a list, like this one concerning NEIPAs which are "...often dry hopped...". :rofl: I know that the NEIPA style, if it's ever going to be nailed down, will definitely include dry-hopping - haven't found one that's not dry-hopped yet.

    @THANATOPSIS beat me to it, yes, perfect posting!!! That's what I was looking for. Have fun with it.
     
  8. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    Indeed. This is a bullshit filler article that was throw together quickly.
     
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  9. TrojanRB

    TrojanRB Grand Pooh-Bah (3,779) Jul 27, 2013 Texas
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    Meh, it’s directionally correct. Bon Appetit is hardly a bastion of journalism, but I think the article does accomplish its goal. It does a reasonably good job of explaining the variations of IPA, and beer geek terms, which can be bewildering and intimidating to the average beer drinker. We aren’t the target demographic...and there aren’t any malicious lies in the article, just a few slight inaccuracies or perpetuations of beer legend.
     
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  10. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    You know that's not a good thing, right?
     
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  11. NeroFiddled

    NeroFiddled Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,276) Jul 8, 2002 Pennsylvania
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    That's kind of like "alternate facts", right? :rofl:
     
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  12. PatrickCT

    PatrickCT Grand Pooh-Bah (3,776) Feb 18, 2015 Connecticut

    Most online editions of magazines of any topic are filled with inacurate and ponderous statements.
    I wouldn't go looking for good facts on Bon Appetit, either. On the same website they just called buccatini the best long pasta shape ever. True, it is under used and underappreciated. However, in the article they fail to mention Amatriciana which is the historic dish most tied to that shape. I don't think this is "fake news" or bad journalism, just bad writing. Perhaps they just know their audience.
     
  13. islay

    islay Savant (1,211) Jan 6, 2008 Minnesota

    A session ale in general historically was defined to be 4% ABV or below, and, originally, a session IPA was simply an IPA that met the definition of a session ale. I think that's all the author was trying to convey. Pretty quickly American breweries ratcheted up the ABV, as they tend to do.

    I found the NEIPA description to be essentially accurate (remarkably low bitterness, fruity -- most here would say "juicy," the IPA for people who don't like IPAs), aside from some awkward summarizing.
     
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  14. TrojanRB

    TrojanRB Grand Pooh-Bah (3,779) Jul 27, 2013 Texas
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    There are worse sins in this world.

    If that article gets a few people from the “dilly dilly” crowd to grab some Modern Times or Sierra Nevada next time they’re on the beer aisle, great.

    Maybe they get hooked and eventually may end up on this site and @jesskidden can drop some knowledge bombs.

    But you’ve gotta start somewhere.
     
  15. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    There certainly are.

    That said, this type of basic knowledge is readily available. No reason to propagate erroneous urban legends and things that are just flat out wrong, when all you need to do is the most basic research and fact-checking.
     
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  16. NeroFiddled

    NeroFiddled Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,276) Jul 8, 2002 Pennsylvania
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    Yes, errr, wait, no... not at all. All of that is confusing. Originally or historically? What's the difference? And who "defined" it because that's exactly what you say - "in general", "historically", and "defined", three terms which don't fit together all that well. Who exactly was it that brewed that first original or historic brew, and when? And what is the definition of a session ale?

    It's just not good writing any way that you look at it, and depending on how you interpret what's written, there's still nothing that I know of that nails down and determines the style so I don't know where his references come from. I'd personally like all "session IPAs" to be 4% abv or less but that's not always the case, and I don't know that that was the case from the beginning.. Maybe I should just forgive his use of the word historically, but I find it hard as it's not based on anything. Maybe @jesskiddin can weigh in.
     
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  17. Harrison8

    Harrison8 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,285) Dec 6, 2015 Missouri
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    Before I get into critiquing the article (which I may or may not have fun with after work), I will say that technically anything in the past is history. So Session IPAs do have a historic trend of being low ABV, but not historic in the sense that George Washington was sipping on one on his estate.

    Session IPAs don't have a long history, but they do have history to some degree.
     
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  18. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    Good thing he's not a writer, or something. :wink:

    But yeah, I "translated" that's what he was trying to tell us, but not quite pulling it off. Funny how the dependent clause works. :grin:
     
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  19. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    So the 'plain old' IPA (aka American IPA) is now known as the East Coast IPA? Among all of the other inaccuracies, that's what I get out of this.
     
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  20. chipawayboy

    chipawayboy Pooh-Bah (2,181) Oct 26, 2007 Massachusetts
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    Food people should stick to food. Saw an Anthony Bourdain episode sometime in 2017 — he was in London eating out with a friend and made it a point to order a Guinness Stout and profess his love for ales. The dude orders a Guinness in the epicenter of cask ale for the planet. Total tool.
     
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