Recipe Critique: Citra Saison

Discussion in 'Homebrewing' started by Prep8611, Feb 3, 2018.

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  1. frozyn

    frozyn Maven (1,435) May 16, 2015 New York
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    I've always seen it couched in terms of (1) ensuring maximum attenuation by encouraging any extra activity the temperature increase inspires in the yeast, and (2) letting the yeast "clean up" the beer/get rid of fermentation products unwanted in the final beer, much akin to a diacetyl rest. Can't say I know if there's anything to it, but I bump temps a day or two before cold crashing.

    In reading this thread, kinda made me wonder about bottling at the homebrew level and if you could use the higher temperature to push out some CO2, and then because you need to add more sugar in the priming step to account for the decreased dissolved CO2, you give the yeast more to work on in the bottle, thereby scavenging just a bit more O2 out of the bottle itself. Can't see that really making a difference, but curious to consider. No way in heck it'd be nearly as effective as purging bottles/kegging, of course.
     
  2. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    Most people do it with the dupont strains, but even then open fermenting seems to be a better alternative to prevent stalling.
     
  3. Prep8611

    Prep8611 Savant (1,208) Aug 22, 2014 New Jersey

    Sometimes I do things without really having a reason. Why do I randomly choose to ferment most ales at 65 instead of 62 or 68? No idea. Why do some people fly sparge, some batch, some no sparge? I mean I think that's the beautiful thing about homebrewing is that we can all do what we like... Most Belgians I make I ferment at the warmer end of the spectrum cause that's what I like to do and not because it's best practice.
    The beer is very much in the active fermentation based on its current gravity of 1.030 so I would think that raising the temp tomorrow morning to 80 would help the beer finish and possibly get a little something flavor wise out of it. To reiterate I'm not being scientific I am purely experiementing with a yeast strain I don't currently have experience with. Maybe next
     
  4. Prep8611

    Prep8611 Savant (1,208) Aug 22, 2014 New Jersey

    Even that evidence is anecdotal at best. If an open fermentation caused DuPont to not stall EVERY homebrewer would do it EVERY time.
     
  5. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    I agree with this in theory, but in practice just doing whatever you like has . . . umm . . . consequences.
     
  6. Prep8611

    Prep8611 Savant (1,208) Aug 22, 2014 New Jersey

    My guess that the change from 75 ambient today to 80 ambient tomorrow which will take a while to see change in 5 gallons of liquid will be small. Thank you for your concern all the same :wink:
     
  7. MrOH

    MrOH Grand Pooh-Bah (3,995) Jul 5, 2010 Virginia
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    I agree that they can be awesome, but here in the US, they seem to be prevalent. Beyond the noble hops, EKG, and Styrian Goldings, there are a fair amount of new hops that have interesting flavors and aromas to explore, many of which would work well in a dry, slightly rustic Belgian-style beer (or north German tart wheat [Berliner Weisse and Gose] for that matter), that always using Citra or Mosaic in some capacity seems like you're not trying. Maybe I'm not looking hard enough at what's available to me
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    Also, 2oz dry hop of Citra for 5gal, is not what I would call reasonably subtle, even though I think it would be a good beer.
     
  8. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    A lot of people see craft brewers as creative people. Very few of them are. Most are just trend followers. I guess that makes most craft beer lovers happy, because that's what they are as well, so . . .
     
  9. Prep8611

    Prep8611 Savant (1,208) Aug 22, 2014 New Jersey

    Would you label yourself as a creative brewer? Sometimes people just make beer that they will taste good/sell and aren't trying to be creative.
     
  10. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    In some capacities, yes. In others, no.
     
  11. Prep8611

    Prep8611 Savant (1,208) Aug 22, 2014 New Jersey

    Well sometimes when people are trying to be creative you get dogfish head squidink IPA with habanero peppers and I'm pretty sure I know your stance on that. By using citra I was using what I have on hand(save money) while also trying to change my practice of always using Saaz or Tradition hops in my Belgians.
    I made like 5 saisons last spring all the same recipe of pilsner wheat saaz and 3711 cause I like drinking saisons. This is just me playing around.
    By the way the smell in my fermentation chamber is fucking awesome right now so if this busts I will definitely be sad. I'm gonna tone it down to 0.5 ounce citra dry hop or not do it at all. I'll taste before I dry hop.
     
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  12. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    I want to get across that I am in no way criticizing your technique, you do you. I have never experienced the stall in either open or closed situations.
     
  13. Prep8611

    Prep8611 Savant (1,208) Aug 22, 2014 New Jersey

    I wasn't taking anything personally so no worries. Just saying that because there are too many variables to make a statement like that. Brulosophy did a exbeeriment whose evidence I find to be anecdotal at best in most cases.
     
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  14. CarolusP

    CarolusP Zealot (590) Oct 22, 2015 Minnesota

    There is no right or wrong way, as Nietzche said.

    Then again, Nietzche may have died of syphilis.
     
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  15. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    The question is did he die the right way or the wrong?
     
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