No Dogs - Proclamation

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  1. hopley

    hopley Pooh-Bah (2,912) Feb 24, 2010 Massachusetts
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    This is true - and if I were to speculate on the reasons why we don't see dogs in places like McDonalds, Home Depot, and Bloomingdales, it is two primary reasons: 1) health and cleanliness and 2) legal. While I absolutely love dogs and never visit Trill during busy times, I love seeing dogs there. But I also think that breweries that allow dogs could be just one lawsuit or visit from a health commissioner away from a real headache in the case of a angry dog bite or ill placed and unseen mess. But the folks I've seen at Trillium with dogs have been very conscious of minding their dogs with leashes, and other places with outdoor spaces will hopefully continue to keep breweries a breed apart from those other businesses where we often shop, but aren't necessarily in the habit of spending time hanging out.
     
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  2. Jmclowell

    Jmclowell Initiate (0) Jan 27, 2018 Massachusetts

    Unfortunately most people who own dogs have no clue about training/ responsible dog handling in public. As much as we would like all dogs to be well behaved they aren’t always. I totally understand their decision.

    BTW you can bring your dog into any store that does not specifically post “No Dogs” or “Service Dogs Only”. I have taken my dogs into Home Depot, Lowe’s, Dick’s Sporting Goods, Joanne’s fabrics, Michael’s Crafts, etc... while I was training them.
     
  3. oldbean

    oldbean Initiate (0) Jun 30, 2005 Massachusetts

    Dogs for some, miniature American flags for others.
     
  4. Sheppard

    Sheppard Grand Pooh-Bah (3,516) Mar 16, 2013 Massachusetts
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    It's this and the fact that people don't properly gauge how their dog is in certain situations. They only see their dog through one lens and that's them being the best, friendliest dog on the planet. There are few dogs that fit that bill. Mine included.

    I love dogs and would like to openly take my dog anywhere. However, I realize that not all dogs should be taken everywhere. There are some issues that come with that, and we need breweries to come down with rules and restrictions or else people will continue to abuse that freedom to the detriment of the greater dog owner beer aficionado society. Wait, am I still talking about dogs?
     
  5. John_M

    John_M Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,849) Oct 25, 2003 Washington
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    Having read through a number of similar posts in the past, if there's one thing I've learned, there's no one size fits all solution when it comes to having kids in a brewery tasting room. Personally, I tend to see things the same as you, as most tasting rooms don't seem like a fun place for a small child to hang out. That being said, for a lot of young parents who enjoy a good beer every now and again (and who apparently don't have much in the way of babysitting options), taking their son or daughter to the TR is their only option. Personally, I think it often depends on the parent as to whether the child is going to have an OK time. Some parents are very interactive with their kids, no matter where they take them, and so even at a tasting room they get a lot of attention and have a good time. Other parents seem to think that taking their kids to a TR that allows kids somehow means the TR staff should be at least partially responsible for the care of the kids (part of the cost of running a profitable business), so they let their kids run off and do what ever they want. So again, personally, I guess I see this as more of a parenting issue. That being said, I've also known some folks that flat out hate anyone who brings their kids to the TR (no matter how well behaved they are). @LukieBL will be happy to hear that most of those folks seem to be well aware that's a no win situation for them at a place that permits small children, and so they make it a habit of not going to places like that. Personally again, I think that's an appropriate attitude for them to take, as after all there are plenty of "no kid" drinking place options for them, if that's really what they prefer.

    My point being that, especially when it comes to bringing kids to a TR, there are a lot of pro and con reasons for allowing or not allowing kids in a TR, and I can certainly understand why some parents would want to bring their kids to a TR.

    As for dogs, I find that allowing them often puts an owner between a rock and a hard place. There are plenty of owners with well behaved dogs, and I know a number of dog owners who won't go anywhere without their dog (including their favorite brewery or watering hole). A lot of those dog owners are great customers, and of course the owner doesn't want to lose their business. On the other hand... I went to a big open house bash at a brewery in Seattle a year or two ago, and at the time, the brewery did allow dogs (they had outdoor and indoor seating in an informal setting). There were a lot of dogs at this well attended event, and most of them were well behaved. However. Someone brought a very large Great Dane mix that had flees and clearly was in need of a bath (you could smell him from 10 feet away). Someone else thought it would be cute to put their border collie mix on one of the tables so others could play and pet him, and someone else put some of the complimentary bowls of pretzels on the ground so his dog could have a snack (the brewery provided bowls of water for 4 legged friends, but no food). The owner was so shocked and dismayed by this behavior that he put the kybosh on allowing anything other than service dogs into the tasting room. I know it was a decision he struggled with (I'm pretty certain he's a pet owner), but in the end, he wasn't sure how he could stop this sort of behavior, and he didn't want to put his staff in the position of having to tell pet owners what they could and couldn't do.
     
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  6. TheMattJones88

    TheMattJones88 Maven (1,372) Sep 12, 2009 Massachusetts
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    And beers twirling, ALWAYS TWIRLING.
     
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  7. Jbrews

    Jbrews Pooh-Bah (2,214) Aug 6, 2013 New Hampshire
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    Fine with it, it's for the best.
     
  8. pbrian

    pbrian Pooh-Bah (2,118) Feb 8, 2001 Connecticut
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    One thing no one has brought up is that some people are absolutely terrified of dogs, no matter how gentle or well behaved they are. I bring this up because I regularly have first hand experience of this because one of my daughters best friends won't enter our house unless we put our (very well behaved and loving) **** hound in the basement. As few and far between as those people may be, it poses the question, should a person be denied the experience at a brewery because dogs are allowed?

    The most overlooked issue is probably the legal issue, though. Imagine a bad dog bite situation at a brewery. Sure, the dog owner's own homeowner's insurance policy is going to get called in first, but any personal injury lawyer is going to sue all parties involved, first and foremost the brewery who likely has much higher liability limits than the patron, who may not even have liability insurance, and if they don't own a home, they probably don't.
     
  9. mina02139

    mina02139 Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2007 Massachusetts

    I wouldn't say terrified, personally, but they do make me highly uncomfortable. And, I'm allergic, which doesn't help. A dog gives me a play bite that doesn't break the skin and I still swell up. So heading for a relaxing pint or three at Trillium in Canton on a Saturday and counting at LEAST a dozen dogs makes it way less relaxing than I'd like.

    ESPECIALLY WHEN ONE DOG SHITS ON THE FLOOR.

    Yeah, that happened. Coincidentally, I was drinking Covered in Puppies at the time.
     
  10. Leebo

    Leebo Initiate (0) Feb 7, 2013 Massachusetts

    Remind me again why I've never been?
     
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  11. Leebo

    Leebo Initiate (0) Feb 7, 2013 Massachusetts

    And thought this was going to be about some awesome new beer.
     
  12. John_M

    John_M Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,849) Oct 25, 2003 Washington
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    Exactly right, and I'll even go you one further.

    I actually had this happen to me roughly a year ago at a highly regarded beer bar here in Portland, Oregon. The bar in question has an outdoor patio, which is the only place patrons are allowed to bring their dogs. On a particular evening I was walking through the patio to get out to my car, and happened to walk by a table of younger folks (mid 20's would be my guess), one of which had a mid size doggie of indeterminate breed sitting next to him on a bench. For some reason the dog jumped down and bit me on the leg. It wasn't a vicious bite (didn't tear my sweat pants or bruise my skin), but even so, it wasn't an enjoyable experience. Compounding the problem was the reaction of the owner, who simply looked over at me, asked if his dog had actually bitten me (I assured him it had), where upon he just shrugged and went back to drinking his beer. It was the behavior of the asshole dog owner that really had me irritated, and initially I started to head back to the bar to report the incident. Except... I liked the bar and bar owner at this place, and the thought crossed my mind that initiating some sort of dog bite action wasn't going be in her best interest. I also made an assumption that the young punk with the dog more than likely was judgment proof (no insurance, no assets, etc.), and at most I might get him kicked out of the bar. I wasn't actually hurt (just startled and pissed by the reaction of the dog owner), and so after thinking about it some more, I just walked back to my car.

    Anyway, just thought I'd throw out that example as another wrinkle to your post. Not only can an incident like this lead to some significant headaches for the bar owner, it can often times create a dilemma for a patron as well, who may not wish to cause undue grief for a bar/brewery owner.

    While I'm sure it would be unpopular, a complete prohibition of canine friends is probably the safest course to take for a brewery or bar owner.
     
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  13. hopley

    hopley Pooh-Bah (2,912) Feb 24, 2010 Massachusetts
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    Hate to say it but having read all these posts, even us dog lovers are doing our level best to talk the brewery owners of the world out of allowing dogs in the taprooms! Enjoy it while you can! Cheers!
     
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  14. GormBrewhouse

    GormBrewhouse Pooh-Bah (2,111) Jun 24, 2015 Vermont
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    I watched a dog jump up onto a tote of spent grain once when I was assisting at a brewery. We got the usual "he never does that" stuff, but the no dogs signs went up the next week. Hasn't seemed to hurt buis at all.
     
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  15. Chuckdiesel24

    Chuckdiesel24 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,208) Jul 6, 2016 Illinois
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    Interesting topic.

    To me the obvious answer is yes, and the word "denied" seems really strong. It's just something you don't get to do. Someone who has phobia for snakes isn't going to the reptile house at the zoo, someone who has a phobia of clowns is going to avoid the circus. For something kind of similar, I'm allergic to shellfish, and there are certain restaurants I just can't eat at.

    This I've got to agree with. As a consumer, I generally like the idea of breweries that allow dogs, and in the right situation the well-behaved dogs (and well-behaved owners), I think it's kind of cool. I imagine if I owned a brewery, I would just got the safe route and not allow them on the off chance of something happening that got me sued. That said, it's every individual business owner's decision how they want to develop the ambiance of their taproom to be.

    Full disclosure, I own a dog, have never brought him to a brewery. I maybe would bring him to a situation that I know is low key, but it's more that my particular dog (11 pound dachshund) is jittery in crowded situations; he tends to want to just curl up and shiver in one of our laps. So for my dog I think he would rather sit at home alone than in a potentially crowded brewery.
     
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  16. kinopio

    kinopio Savant (1,037) Apr 30, 2009 Massachusetts

    Your examples would work if breweries were dog zoos instead of places that brew and sell beer.
     
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  17. pbrian

    pbrian Pooh-Bah (2,118) Feb 8, 2001 Connecticut
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    Correct, I didn't see the connections to his analogies either.
     
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  18. LiquidCourage

    LiquidCourage Initiate (0) Nov 1, 2012 Rhode Island

    I have a dog and have had dogs all my life. I would never think to take her to a restaurant or brewery. I'm shocked it was even allowed, does not make sense to me.

    Take the dog on a walk, then go drink a beer.
     
  19. Manfrombelmonty

    Manfrombelmonty Savant (1,165) Sep 12, 2010 Massachusetts

    I like beer.

    I dont like dogs.

    So the less dogs in a place that I'm enjoying myself, the better
     
  20. cmoney13

    cmoney13 Initiate (0) Sep 9, 2017 Massachusetts

    No one's dog is as a cute or as cool as their owner thinks it is. It's a big bumbling moron with potential to harm or a tiny annoying yipper who is guaranteed to pee due to years of inbreeding. Dogs are lower IQ, more dangerous, worse behaved kids.
     
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