Controversial Beer Opinions Thread

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by Kraz, Feb 14, 2018.

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  1. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    I realize that (and you stated your opinion so delicately too :wink:). I wasn't aiming my comments at any specific post.
     
  2. AlcahueteJ

    AlcahueteJ Grand Pooh-Bah (3,242) Dec 4, 2004 Massachusetts
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    Exactly why some age it, and some like it fresh. For Bigfoot at least, some people like how hoppy it is and want it fresh. Others like to see the malt character poke through over the years.

    Which lighter Belgian ales have banana in them? Unless you meant Hefeweizens?

    I also don't really think lighter Belgian ales are too appealing to the general public like New England IPAs are. If they were, they would have exploded by now. I also feel those beers have more expression of the yeast profiles and malts in them than New England IPAs. New England IPAs are ALL hops (to my palate at least), and are clearly designed to taste like juice.

    It's not a perfect line drawn in the sand, but I love the quote "malt is the soul of beer". If the malt profile doesn't contribute something to the beer, I consider it less "beer-like" than another style.

    I love New England IPAs, but those are very much akin to a "beermosa". I don't think a random person at work is going to gush over a Belgian table beer.

    How so?

    If anyone's obsessed with cask milds I'm shocked.

    I don't remember if you answered this question before, but does Duvel fall under that category? Belgian Tripel, monastery beer, or Trappist?
     
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  3. TongoRad

    TongoRad Grand Pooh-Bah (3,884) Jun 3, 2004 New Jersey
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    Not for nothing, but I'd call Blue Moon a lighter Belgian Ale :wink:.
     
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  4. AlcahueteJ

    AlcahueteJ Grand Pooh-Bah (3,242) Dec 4, 2004 Massachusetts
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    Yes, but that's like saying Miller Lite is a "Pilsner".

    If we keep it to the beer geek crowd, Allagash White is popular. But people aren't lining up to get it, it's not rated ridiculous high like a New England IPA, and it didn't inspire hundreds (probably thousands now) of clones from other breweries.
     
  5. TongoRad

    TongoRad Grand Pooh-Bah (3,884) Jun 3, 2004 New Jersey
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    But keep in mind that Blue Moon followed in the footsteps of Celis White, which did have that crossover street cred. Plus there's Hoegaarden on a lot of taps still.

    Sure, Blue Moon took the style to the next level by blandifying it, but in general the style has what it takes for some form of mass popularity.
     
  6. BenHoppy

    BenHoppy Initiate (0) Nov 15, 2017 Michigan

    Cheers to Expedition!
     
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  7. SaisonRichBiere

    SaisonRichBiere Pooh-Bah (2,033) Mar 23, 2011 Michigan
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    Tiberian Inquisitor. Not that bad!
     
  8. nicoolaa

    nicoolaa Initiate (0) Jun 17, 2017 France

    Yes I'm pretty sure Duvel is a belgian tripple and for sure they use the typical belgian yeast in this one
     
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  9. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    I’m not claiming that the yeast character of Duvel can’t be considered “Belgian,” but it’s worth noting that the origin of their yeast is from Scottish strains.
     
  10. nicoolaa

    nicoolaa Initiate (0) Jun 17, 2017 France

    Ok maybe Duvel is not the best example for typical belgium yeast.
    Let's just keep Chimay, rochefort, westmalle, Grimbergen, affligem, leffe, karmeliet... for this controversial beer opinion
     
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  11. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    Instead of Duvel and it’s Scottish yeast strain, you can include the Maredsous Triple which is brewed by Duvel Mortgaat and which does use a Belgian yeast strain
     
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  12. Dave_S

    Dave_S Crusader (429) May 18, 2017 England

    Actually, what's the consensus on shaker pints - is it more controversial to like them or dislike them? I think that they're good, straightforward unpretentious glasses that are ideal for good, straightforward, unpretentious beers, and that people who think they need to die need to get over themselves, but I'm not sure whether that fits in with the thread or not...
     
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  13. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    Do you ever see the US Shaker Pint in the U.K.?
     
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  14. JamFuel

    JamFuel Grand High Pooh-Bah (9,284) Mar 26, 2009 Sweden
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    But what if the beer isn't just unenjoyable, but downright disgusting? I've drain poured maybe three beers in total, and these were beers I just could not get down. The one I remember was an Abstract by Brewdog. It tasted like someone had put carbonated water in an ashtray that had been used for a couple of weeks. I hate the smell of cigarette smoke, and I almost couldn't swallow the first sip. Does that make me a douchebag? I mean, I am, but not because of that...
     
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  15. JamFuel

    JamFuel Grand High Pooh-Bah (9,284) Mar 26, 2009 Sweden
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    They are EVERYWHERE...
     
  16. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    That’s not a good sign. They are designed to be easy to wash and stack without much breakage. The fact they can also be used to drink from is incidental and wasn’t a major consideration in why they exist.
     
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  17. JamFuel

    JamFuel Grand High Pooh-Bah (9,284) Mar 26, 2009 Sweden
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    They're not my favorite glass to use, but I agree with @Dave_S in that they work fine for simple, uncomplicated beer. Any beer I really want to analyze, smell and swirl will go in another type of glass, but if I'm just going to have a beer with friends, it does the job.
     
  18. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    So does a nonic pint glass. But does that casual use make using other glassware pretentious? There is a reason for the tulip shape and it’s not just swirling (which goes with wine not a poured beer with a reasonable head on it).

    If I simply include enjoying the aromas of the beer while I’m having a pint with friends does that mean I’m analyzing the beer?
     
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  19. JamFuel

    JamFuel Grand High Pooh-Bah (9,284) Mar 26, 2009 Sweden
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    I'm a glassware nerd myself, so I very, very, very rarely use a shaker pint, but if it's what's available I'll use it. I prefer tulips, snifters and the like, or a willibecher for that matter, but I wouldn't refuse a shaker, is what I'm saying. And analyzing to me means sitting down alone, taking notes and taking time with the beer, as opposed to having beer socially.
     
  20. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    Agree, and given no choice I too use the Shaker Pint.

    But I guess my point is that not liking to have to use the Shaker Pint because it is convenient for someone we are paying money to (and who is not even drinking the beer with us and our friends:sunglasses: ) doesn’t make us pretentious snobs if we want that glass shape to go away or not be used to serve beer.
     
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