Trying to see where I messed up - Fermentation

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  1. Kamikazehops

    Kamikazehops Initiate (0) Feb 23, 2018 Texas

    Alright fellas.. need some help here

    On Saturday 3/17 I brewed a 1 gallon batch of " Northern Homebrewer's White House Honey Ale. This is my second batch to brew, first was Imperial IPA and bottles currently conditioning but had no issues with fermentation/krausen.

    Its been 3 days and there has been no air lock activity and there has been no krausen to form as well. There just seems to be "clumps" floating at the top of the wort.

    I've done some sort of research and most advice that is given is to repitch yeast and/or take a gravity reading as air lock activity/krausen is not a for indicator of fermentation occurring.


    Since this was a pre made kit, i've looked over the instructions/package listing and it does not tell me what type of yeast this is. Although this is a DME.

    I will also not that the only aeration that was done to the wort was when i transported the wort from my kettle to the ferm. bucket. I did not shake the bucket before pitching the yeast.

    What I didnt do
    -Take a gravity reading after chilling the wort to 70 degrees.

    What I did different:
    - Used actual bottled water instead of my home tap water
    - Used a plastic 2 gallon fermentation bucket instead of 1 gallon carboy


    Just wanted to get some more insight.
     
  2. gmartinobrew

    gmartinobrew Initiate (0) Feb 6, 2018 New York

    I'm fairly new to homebrewing, but if you did a 1 gallon batch in a 2 gallon carboy then that probably explains it. Instead of the air expanding out of the carboy and into the airlock, it just sits in the carboy since there is so much head space. Just my thoughts. Hopefully someone more experienced will chime in
     
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  3. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Take a gravity reading.
     
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  4. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    Are you removing the lid and seeing these clumps? You are fermenting a 1-gallon batch in a 2-gallon bucket, so the CO2 off-gassing will take a while to fill that head space and make bubbles in the airlock, especially if you remove the lid. But if fermentation was occurring, normally you'll see a little more than some clumps.

    But since you've seen clumps, are they off-white clumps of bubbles or chunks of trub that may have gotten into the fermentor?
    What is the approximate ambient temp where is the bucket is placed?
    Any idea of the age of the yeast? Was it dry or liquid?

    I wouldn't rpitch yet, but you can get a spare packet just in case you need to repitch.

    How did you transfer from the kettle to the fermentor? A well-splashed pour should be okay, but if you siphoned you may have minimal O2 dissolved in the wort which can cause a slow start to your fermentation.
     
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  5. Kamikazehops

    Kamikazehops Initiate (0) Feb 23, 2018 Texas

    Hey Mother Goose, went ahead and answered all your questions in bold.

    Are you removing the lid and seeing these clumps? Yes

    But since you've seen clumps, are they off-white clumps of bubbles or chunks of trub that may have gotten into the fermenter? They definitely look like trub,

    What is the approximate ambient temp where is the bucket is placed? - Ambient is 70-73, it was kept in my closet with a fan but last night i received my fermentation cooler with ice packs to bring it down to a consistent 68-70.

    Any idea of the age of the yeast? No idea, the packet did say it was "Good through 07/2019
    Was it dry or liquid? it was a Dry yeast packet.


    How did you transfer from the kettle to the fermentor? A well-splashed pour should be okay, but if you siphoned you may have minimal O2 dissolved in the wort which can cause a slow start to your fermentation. I did a pour from the kettle to the bucket.
     
  6. Kamikazehops

    Kamikazehops Initiate (0) Feb 23, 2018 Texas


    I was thinking this too, as far as the airlock issue.
     
  7. billandsuz

    billandsuz Pooh-Bah (2,097) Sep 1, 2004 New York
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    You will hear experienced homebrewers saying "no airlock activity does not mean no fermentation". The only way to confirm fermentation is with a hydrometer.

    The stopper could be loose, the lid could be loose.
    Cheers.

    ps, try to minimize headspace in the fermenter. You want oxygen in the wort pre-fermentation, then you want to eliminate all oxygen exposure once the yeast get going, especially when bottling and transferring.
     
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  8. billandsuz

    billandsuz Pooh-Bah (2,097) Sep 1, 2004 New York
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    yes, well remember, it's not a vacuum in that air space waiting to be filled. yeast produce a lot of CO2 gas when they are doing their work.
     
  9. NorCalKid

    NorCalKid Initiate (0) Jan 10, 2018 California

    How much money and time are you into that batch? For me waiting 3 days is 2 1/2 days to long, especially for a gallon. Just make sure next time to re hydrate the yeast pack properly and be sanitary with your process. You did check the date on the yeast which is crucial, especially if you decide to start using liquid yeast. Using glass or p.e.t. fermenters is a good way to keep a visual check as well. Make sure you have a good seal/ fitting on the lid/air lock stopper. Give it another day and re pitch if you wanna save it. That’s what I would do.
     
  10. Kamikazehops

    Kamikazehops Initiate (0) Feb 23, 2018 Texas

    So i just got home

    Gravity reading is
    Just under 8 BRIX and 1.033 SG

    I put it into a refractometer calculator and *estimate original gravity is 1.026

    Heres a picture of the wort.

    [​IMG]
     
  11. NorCalKid

    NorCalKid Initiate (0) Jan 10, 2018 California

    Looks like fermentation.
     
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  12. Kamikazehops

    Kamikazehops Initiate (0) Feb 23, 2018 Texas

    Thanks, I guess I was comparing it to my previous IPA batch that had a really thick Krausen and this, not so much. I really appreciate the feedback and help.
     
  13. NorCalKid

    NorCalKid Initiate (0) Jan 10, 2018 California

    Wouldn’t be a homebrewer if ya didn’t second guess yourself!
     
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  14. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    OG can't be lower than FG. Did you use a hydrometer or a refractometer to get your 8 Brix reading?

    The thick krausen has come and gone. See that ring around the bucket? That how high the krausen got.
     
  15. Kamikazehops

    Kamikazehops Initiate (0) Feb 23, 2018 Texas

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  16. Granitebeard

    Granitebeard Zealot (549) Aug 24, 2016 Maine

    Best part about northernbrew is you can pull up their recipes on their site. This beer kit calls for an English dry yeast I never heard of of, but S-04 would probably work.

    But based on your picture, I would say the magic happened.

    Edit: I don't believe you can use a refractometer to measure SG once alcohol is present.
     
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  17. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Wow. That estimator/calculator is effed up.

    Looking at the kit, the expected OG isn't specified, but they specify 1.062 for the 5 gallon version. So using that...

    If you measured 8 Brix with a refractometer, and using a reasonable wort correction factor, I'd say you went from about 1.062 OG to about 1.014 FG. It's probably fully attenuated or close to it. About 6.3% ABV.
     
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  18. Kamikazehops

    Kamikazehops Initiate (0) Feb 23, 2018 Texas

    Geez, im ass backwards on this. Ill have to get a reliable calculator for these and begin taking gravity readings from the get go. But yes, they do say that once the beer has fermented the calc. can't be accurate due to the alcohol.
     
  19. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Old wives' tale. As long as you correct for the alcohol with a good calculator, a refractometer is fine for most work.
     
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  20. Kamikazehops

    Kamikazehops Initiate (0) Feb 23, 2018 Texas

    ok, thanks. I have a hydrometer, just waiting on my wine thief to deliver. Which is why i had to resort to my refractometer. this should be able to give me a better FG once the 2 weeks of fermenting are done.
     
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