Anyone else in trouble in Michigan?

Discussion in 'Great Lakes' started by DoubleUC, Oct 28, 2012.

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  1. DoubleUC

    DoubleUC Initiate (0) Mar 5, 2009 Michigan

    Since Michigan Brewing's demise the conversation during a "session" among a bunch of us Michigan craft beer nuts often turns to speculation of whether any of our other favorite distributing breweries might be having growing pains. Founders seems to be seriously banging it out and hitting on all cylinders; Arcadia and Dark Horse are rolling along steadily; Short's is now on the shelves pretty much everywhere, and even Saugatuck has emerged from a few years of sputtering and internal struggles to be hitting a nice stride right now. New Holland has had some serious turnover of key employees, including brewmaster Jon Hagerty and the head of QA both resigning within the past year as well as both in-house finance guys leaving. We've also noticed that their shelf space seems to be dwindling in many stores as New Belgium and a bunch of other newcomers to Michigan's retail scene get on the shelves; even Brewery Vivant is getting into the game in SW Michigan. The SE Michigan breweries for the most part seem to be thriving but we notice that Atwater's shelf presence also seems to be seriously down compared to what we've known. So it begs the question: is anyone else getting out of their realm? Not that anyone here would know the definitive answer or be likely to raise a red flag if they did, but it's pretty amazing when regular guys like us can be drinking beer at the brewery one day with everyone working there happy and oblivious (or pretending to be) and the next thing you know the doors are padlocked and the gavel is banging. Makes you wonder, who else is in over their head?
     
  2. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    I've visited some of the recently-opened brewpubs, and if they don't improve their beer there will be some closings upcoming. I'm not going to mention names here because all new breweries deserve a chance to get it right before being stomped upon by bad press. Some new breweries are smart enough to get it right before they open their doors, but some don't. I do give feedback when I visit these breweries, so I hope they listen. It's probably a dream of almost every BA to own their own brewery so I'm willing to give them some time to live that dream.
     
  3. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,635) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    There is one for sale due to the owner becoming tired of 16 hour days.
     
  4. jmich24

    jmich24 Initiate (0) Jan 28, 2010 Michigan

    In Sparta?
     
  5. lurpy1

    lurpy1 Savant (1,077) Jan 15, 2010 Minnesota

    I live in MN but work in Michigan, and the beer quality is awesome. If your beer is adequate at best, you are in trouble. Too much competition. Mt. Pleasant and Detroit Beer Co are breweries I've tried once (and only once), they fit the bill as making so-so beer and I often see their bottles languishing on shelves. Could not speak to their current success or whether they have healthy taprooms. In my opinion, of all the breweries in Michigan with any reach, Arbor is by far the worst, but they seem to be well positioned for survival, so they should be around a while and can hopefully develop better products.
     
  6. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,635) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    Yes, it is on Craigs list.
     
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  7. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,635) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    I think Arbor/Corner has gotten some better QA/QC of late. The Corner brewery (production site) has had some expansion and remodeling which should help them, as maturation time is often too short for almost all of the small places in MI - they have to turn that tank over to keep the beer flowing. They will soon have the new bottling line running - it was the bottling line at Founders before. I enjoy Ypsi Gypsi and Buzzsaw these days, and the Strawberry Blonde is a favorite of the wife.

    If you haven't tried their sour projects, you need to try those as those are first rate.
     
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  8. DoubleUC

    DoubleUC Initiate (0) Mar 5, 2009 Michigan

    Hideout sold last year for that reason from what I've heard. Then there's the other side: breweries that are well past the date they had originally hoped to have their doors open (Rockford comes to mind) but are still not quite ready. Perrin is finally open from what we understand, they'll have to be a stop on our next trip west. The more craft beer in Michigan the better, we just hope they all can hang in there and avoid making the same mistakes that Bobby Mason did at Michigan.

    Cheers!
     
  9. lurpy1

    lurpy1 Savant (1,077) Jan 15, 2010 Minnesota

    Thanks for the pointers! I will revisit them, always frustrating to see a percentage of shelf space occupied by a brewery in my "avoid at all costs" category.
     
  10. abraxel

    abraxel Initiate (0) Aug 28, 2009 Michigan

    I agree on their sour series -- by far the best stuff coming out of Arbor. I still haven't been impressed by any of their non-sour beers, though. None of it's bad, but it's all pretty mediocre in my opinion. Buzzsaw and a few others are okay, but when there are many better options on the shelf, there's nothing I plan to pick up again.

    I think the strongest thing Arbor has going for them is strong local support. I don't think they're in danger, but they won't grow much without improving their beer.
     
  11. sarro

    sarro Initiate (0) May 12, 2009 Michigan

    MBC went under because of very poor management and extremely shady finances. I hope no other brewery has to suffer the same fate.

    Also, I heard Saugatuck pushed the original owner and brewer out that got them back on track so I won't be drinking any of their stuff from now on.

    I agree with a lot already said about Arbor/Corner and if you haven't already had a chance, try their Sodibo from this year (2012 vintage). It's excellent.
     
  12. a74gent

    a74gent Pundit (981) Mar 16, 2010 Massachusetts
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    I think in the end like in most businesses the ones who nail the beer side and the business side will have it in the bag as distributed beers. Then I think there will be another cast of characters running nice local brewpubs who will succeed. The ones in trouble IMO are the ones who are distributing, but don't have a high quality level. They will die on the shelf and that will lead to them pulling back out of distribution and then going out of business IMO.

    I'm not going to name names either..fun to speculate, but we each should form our own opinion.
     
  13. Steimie

    Steimie Maven (1,428) Jan 7, 2012 Michigan

    This whole thread speculation that doesn't really seem to serve any real purpose
     
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  14. sarcastro

    sarcastro Savant (1,133) Sep 20, 2006 Michigan

    Then it is in good company with most BA threads.
     
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