Weedkiller found in "popular" beer brands

Your statement does not have much meaning. So what if this chemicals toxicity is presented in ppb? What is your point?

Toxicity is measured in dosage. Plenty of chemicals will kill you dead in the ppb range, acutely. And loads more will kill you dead in the ppb range, chronically. This is fact. Dioxins toxicity is measured in pg/g. That's picograms per gram. Or trillionith of a gram per gram (not kg) which is truly mind boggling.

Glyphosphate is not really a concern in drinking water but it does show up in the food you eat.

This can be hard science. You can make your own choices or you can be reasonably well informed.

Cheers.

 

I might be the one you are referring to as a barley grower. I’m going to keep it short by saying that our operation has never once used Round Up or any other chemical to help aide/speed up the process of ripening. We produce over 350,000 bushels a year and our region (eastern/south east Idaho) is one of the largest malt barley producing regions and this isn’t a practice used by anyone around these parts. That is all

 

I wonder if people would react the same way it it were a brewery other than Sierra Nevada

 

As glyphosate's everywhere anyway we need to be made Roundup® Ready. Maybe enough outtakes and evolution'll take care of this.

 

This discussion reminds me of the commercial where they are serving water from around the US with acceptable amounts of lead. Of course nobody wants any when they hears it's there, but ignorance is USUALLY bliss. Unfortunately, we have no idea the exact causes for increases in some illness such as autism, cancer, etc - but it may eventually be tracked back to chemicals such as those from flushed prescriptions getting into the water supply.

 

This statement shows exactly how fear mongering pervades what we think is proven science. I am not picking anybody out. We all have our conceptions of what is true that in fact is not. No one could do the research that would make us speak accurately at all times. Because I was a biochemist I tend to recognize these as I actually do check.

Autism

The prevalence of autism in the United States has risen steadily since researchers first began tracking it in 2000. The rise in the rate has sparked fears of an autism ‘epidemic.’ But experts say the bulk of the increase stems from a growing awareness of autism and changes to the condition’s diagnostic criteria.

full article.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-real-reasons-autism-rates-are-up-in-the-u-s/

Cancer

There is no increase in the rate of cancer overall. The one thing you need to do is normalize for age. Many more people get cancer today because they are living into the ages where cancers generally occur. One other factor mentioned a lot is advances in diagnosis. With this cancer diagnosis goes up while death decreases. Here is a pretty good article on this. Unfortunately I cannot find a good comparison article that gives cancer rates/age over time. Here is a decent article

https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/understanding/statistics

Since we cannot do studies with humans true proof is never going to be available to show that any increase of these two diseases are never effected by environmental factors. As I have said the correct controls cannot be done. It completely goes against the known science to say either of these are diseases that have increased significantly.

 

Since humans do not have the EPSP synthase protein....we already are.

 

Again - there is nuance as I don't consider hops to be in the same category as staple foods.

But are proprietary hops good for the consumer? I know there are R&D costs to develop new varieties, but does that really account for the fact that an ounce of Citra at my local homebrew shop is $2.95 but Cascade is $1.95?

 

Staple foods are generic.

It is the ones with special characteristics developed by companies such as Monsanto that are protected by IP laws. This protection is not forever. Patents expire.

Long ago, it was considered a "good for everyone deal" to give innovators market exclusive rights (e.g. patents) on their inventions for a period of time. In exchange, they are obligated to disclose in public documents all that is necessary for someone to copy their invention once the patent expires.

Our selfish generation views holders of patents as evil and believes all IP should be merely donated for the good of me.

 

You don't consider maize and soy beans to be staples?

Some may, but I still buy CDs

My beef here is what is allowed to be patented, and the monopolization of an industry.

From Monsanto's website:

Just because something is legal doesn't make it ethical to force it on your customers once you become a monopoly.

This is bullshit. These are domesticated crops.

 

Sign me up for a Round-Up Hazy IPA.

 

Anyone can buy generic corn and soybean seeds, or the generic seed for any other domesticated crop they want and then harvest their own. Nothing is stopping them.

Now, if they want a proprietary seed because of the economic or other advantages that seed offers, then they have to buy it from those authorized to sell it, and live with the restrictions on its use.

Just because people eat the ultimate result does not place any legal or moral or ethical obligation on the owner of the IP that results in these seeds. People can continue to do what they used to do before these seeds existed, if they so choose.

This is purely emotional crap, IMO.

 

Definition of First World Problems.

Don't buy Citra. See? Easy.

Against glyphosphate? Monsanto? Not so easy.
Cheers.

 

The public hops were developed by universities and the USDA, so those were funded by the government, so we all paid for the development. Those hops are readily available to one and all.

Proprietary hops were developed by the farms and the breeding companies. It takes ~10 years and ~$10 million to bring a hops to market. The price of the hop needs to recover the development cost and generate a profit.

 

Wow. Interesting insight. I'm glad you're Roundup® Ready already, but I feel more Roundup® Ready Or Not.

 

It is 'emotional crap' until you get cancer-than it really is a lot of emotional crap.

 

It does not take a rocket scientist to know that genetically modifying poison and food as part of our human food staple is really unconscionable. I guess they call it round up for a reason.The big cull.

 

If they spray it on weed I should be dead by now-

 

Almost made it through a day without a Trump injection. Almost.

Why do I get the feeling you subscribe to the Food Babe?

Apparently (hopefully?) you've never had that trash herb from Mexico they call "schwag", "mersh" or just plain brick weed. You're totally right, they don't use Round Up; they use Windex/glass cleaner, ammonia and other shit that's worse much worse to consume, let alone smoke. Kinda tough to find these days though, thankfully.


PS- you can reply to more than one post in a single comment that way you don't need to comment 5 times on the same subject.