Sony sues Knee Deep Brewing over "Breaking Bud"

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  1. lordofthewiens

    lordofthewiens Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,225) Sep 17, 2005 New Mexico
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    Brilliant!
     
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  2. Squire

    Squire Grand Pooh-Bah (4,385) Jul 16, 2015 Mississippi
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    I think some have, as in "it's just a joke man, nobody is going to take it seriously" while knowing they're bootstraping on someone else's acquired name recognition.
     
  3. TongoRad

    TongoRad Grand Pooh-Bah (3,884) Jun 3, 2004 New Jersey
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    Not just the name- in many cases, like this one, it's the graphics as well. This one immediately comes to mind:
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  4. TriggerFingers

    TriggerFingers Initiate (0) Apr 29, 2012 California

    Maybe they'll have to rename it? Honestly, I don't care what KD calls it. I just buy it because the brewery is 20 minutes away...its fresh...and its good!
     
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  5. BBThunderbolt

    BBThunderbolt Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,846) Sep 24, 2007 Kiribati
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    Depends on who has the better lawyers.

    That said, I'm on Team Whatthehelltookemsolong? Gotta be some reason they are taking action now.
     
  6. Squire

    Squire Grand Pooh-Bah (4,385) Jul 16, 2015 Mississippi
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    Or this one . . .

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  7. BigJim5021

    BigJim5021 Savant (1,227) Sep 2, 2007 Indiana

    To be fair, if anyone is gonna have a sense of humor about this kind of situation it’s Mel Brooks.
     
  8. Ranbot

    Ranbot Pooh-Bah (2,463) Nov 27, 2006 Pennsylvania
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    Spaceballs is one of my favorite movies, so [trademark issues aside] I like this; but their use of purple in the background/lettering makes this extra funny to me... funny in a very immature way, but still funny.

    EDIT: ...and I agree with the poster above that Mel Brooks probably doesn't care.
     
  9. Squire

    Squire Grand Pooh-Bah (4,385) Jul 16, 2015 Mississippi
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    I don't know if Mr. Brooks is laughing or even cares but the current Star Wars franchise is kicking along and perhaps those Corporate Dark Lords are not amused.
     
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  10. Ranbot

    Ranbot Pooh-Bah (2,463) Nov 27, 2006 Pennsylvania
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    And how much they even care to negotiate or "play nice" with redesigns. Sony's a big company, they don't do beer, they have far more important things to do than review, negotiate, and approve a tiny little brewer's labels who shouldn't have infringed in the first place. People who think Sony is bullying aren't going to change their mind if they play nice now. What does Sony gain by working with Knee Deep? ...Nothing.
     
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  11. THANAT0PSIS

    THANAT0PSIS Pooh-Bah (2,275) Aug 3, 2010 Wisconsin
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    I am not a lawyer, but I have to assume the parody defense is not going to work for the reason that what if Sony/Breaking Bad folks wanted to contract out a Breaking Bad-themed beer? The possibility that this Knee Deep beer would be confused with something like that is much higher than that of the Stone/KeyStone situation. Even though this is hypothetical, ultimately they must defend their trademark if they feel it is being infringed upon.

    To the question of, "Why now?" I assume Sony just became aware of this. Knee Deep is not on the level of Stone, Sierra Nevada, New Beligum, Lagunitas, Founders, or Sam Adams, so it seems logical that Sony may not have been aware of this beer for some time. This is just my assumption, though.

    I do believe this is an infringement since it is so very blatant (the artwork more than the name), but I don't know where the line is, and I don't believe that every single beer that references a movie, TV show, album, song, lyric, piece of art, book, etc. should be subject to legal action. I certainly hope this is not the first in a cascade of lawsuits, since most beer companies are likely to lose to the corporate legal teams of the trademark holders in most of the possible cases. Referencing things in other mediums is fun as long as it is in good taste and not in a deceptive way. I don't think Knee Deep is being deceptive, but I do think they step over the line a little in just how obvious the reference is and how prevalent it is in every aspect of the beer (except the brewing process of course).
     
  12. BigJim5021

    BigJim5021 Savant (1,227) Sep 2, 2007 Indiana

    Dark Helmet is from Spaceballs, Mel Brooks’ parody of Star Wars.
     
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  13. Lahey

    Lahey Initiate (0) Nov 12, 2016 Michigan

    I'm curious as to why sony would sue over this, unless they want to brew beer in the near future. My guess would be an easy payday... or maybe they're worried about the brewer making merch that would take money out of their pockets. I just don't see how a beer parody would hurt their business in any way. I also don't understand flexing legal muscle over everything, but maybe I'm a fool.
     
  14. Giantspace

    Giantspace Grand Pooh-Bah (3,043) Dec 22, 2011 Pennsylvania
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    Right but it still looks like and insinuates Darth Vader. My bet would be If Disney did not want this beer out there it would be gone. The mouse has really deep pockets.

    Enjoy
     
  15. MostlyNorwegian

    MostlyNorwegian Pooh-Bah (2,236) Feb 5, 2013 Illinois
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    Well. It is definitely time Knee Deep does something about updating that look.
    Glad someone at Sony told them to step it up.
     
  16. CHL

    CHL Initiate (0) Mar 27, 2009 Illinois

    I doubt Sony is hoping to get rich from this--more likely just a brand manager trying to preserve their trademark's value. Some background.

    1. Sony licenses vodka with name "Breaking Bad." Possible the licensee was pissed breweries are using the same concept for free and agitated for Sony to do something. This happens.
    2. Sony could very well decide to license the brand for beer too. Ommegang's Game of Thrones licensed beer comes to mind.
    3. Sony opposed Austin Beerwork's trademark application for "Heisenberg" last summer. That might have tipped them off to the Breaking Bud problem. They terminated their opposition without a decision. Could be they realized it was a bad case for them because Austin Beerworks has been using the brand name since 2013--the mark is still registered to Austin Beerworks. Odd. Anyhow, the long use of the brand is a very bad fact for Sony's effort to oppose the trademark.
    4. Statute of limitations and laches defense often occur at 4 years. Knee Deep has been packaging this for three years, I gather. For Sony, it was time to object now or possibly forever hold their peace.
     
  17. Lahey

    Lahey Initiate (0) Nov 12, 2016 Michigan

    Fair enough. I get protecting a trademark, but on an old show that's mostly off the air but reruns it seems unnecessary
     
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  18. JasonJYoung

    JasonJYoung Initiate (0) Jan 7, 2015 Washington
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    For real though, a little surprised it took this long for the lawsuit to happen. Between the name and label artwork, Sony will simply outlast/outspend Knee Deep. In other words: $$$Billions vs $$$Millions in resources.

    Advise: Throw in the towel early Knee Deep.
     
  19. BBThunderbolt

    BBThunderbolt Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,846) Sep 24, 2007 Kiribati
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    BTW, you're not the only regular with that job description. To quote Sgt Hulka: lighten up Francis.
     
  20. BigJim5021

    BigJim5021 Savant (1,227) Sep 2, 2007 Indiana

    It only insinuated Darth Vader when Mel Brooks made the character. The beer itself is literally a direct reference to the Spaceballs character, to which Disney holds no claim. That makes it MGM’s character to protect.
     
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