Fermented too hot.

Discussion in 'Homebrewing' started by TooHopTooHandle, May 8, 2018.

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  1. TooHopTooHandle

    TooHopTooHandle Initiate (0) Dec 20, 2016 New York

    So I had somethings go wrong and ended up coming home to find my 15 gallons of stout I brewed to put in a fresh dump barrel fermenting at 82 degrees lol. So to make a long story short it taste like rubbing alcohol (very fusel). So I plan on dumping the batch, but I was wondering before I do is there anything it can be good for except a drain pour. Its around 8.9%. I am ok with dumping it (my first drain pour in over 30th batches lol), but if there is anything I can salvage from this please inform me.
     
  2. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    You could leave it on the yeast and see if they clean up the fusels (i.e. convert them to esters).
     
  3. TooHopTooHandle

    TooHopTooHandle Initiate (0) Dec 20, 2016 New York

    Does that usually work? How long would you suggest leaving it on there for? I have all 3 of my fermenters tied up so if its one of those things where it might work, but might not work that will play a big role in my decision. I get real anxious when I cant brew lol
     
  4. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    It works in every good beer made, i.e. the fusels are made and the yeast convert them. The question is how elevated are the fusels in your beer and how much will the yeast convert. I don't think anyone could predict your likelihood of success or how long it would take. Since you're pipeline constrained, I'd suggest trying it for as long as you can stand to.
     
  5. deadwolfbones

    deadwolfbones Pundit (795) Jun 21, 2014 Oregon

    Could try throwing in some Brett to see if it'll eat the fusels, too.
     
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  6. TooHopTooHandle

    TooHopTooHandle Initiate (0) Dec 20, 2016 New York

    Ok I'll let it ride for 2 weeks. I plan to put in a fresh dump bourbon barrel for 3 to 6 months also so maybe that will help too
     
  7. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    Yeah . . . don't do this.

    No reason to drain pour it right away. It might calm down enough so it won't be an issue. If it doesn't subside quickly, though, I'd think about rebrewing it because long term aging probably won't help.
     
  8. TooHopTooHandle

    TooHopTooHandle Initiate (0) Dec 20, 2016 New York

    Yeah wasnt gonna consider throwing Brett in. I'm gonna taste every day for a couple days and see what happens
     
  9. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    The differentiation here is between volatile compounds like mercaptans/thiols and more stable ones like higher alcohols. If your beer made it through the log phase at a reasonable temperature, fusels are unlikely, but if the yeast replicated at a higher temperature, higher alcohols and esters, like ethyl acetate, may be the issue.
     
  10. TooHopTooHandle

    TooHopTooHandle Initiate (0) Dec 20, 2016 New York

    It was at 82 degrees for like 28-30 hours and I was able to get it down to 70-72 after that, but it fully fermented out in 2.5 days lol
     
  11. JohnnyChicago

    JohnnyChicago Initiate (0) Sep 3, 2010 Illinois

    I vote dump. It may get a little better, but it will never get as good as it could have been. And then if you take a mediocre stout and put it in a barrel, you’ll taste it months down the road and you’ll have a mediocre barrel aged stout. Why disappoint yourself twice?

    Eat the coat, rebrew, and save that barrel for a good beer. Learning experience. :slight_smile:
     
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  12. Prep8611

    Prep8611 Savant (1,208) Aug 22, 2014 New Jersey

    edit: was gonna tell you to save it. If you are dead set on putting it in a barrel I would dump it. Don’t waste a barrel on a beer that is already very flawed.
     
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  13. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    How valuable is your barrel resource and are you willing to tie it up with a questionable beer?

    "It was at 82 degrees for like 28-30 hours and I was able to get it down to 70-72 after that, but it fully fermented out in 2.5 days."

    I am willing to bet that a considerable amount of higher alcohols (fusel oils) were created during those 2.5 days. It is possible for yeast to process those higher alcohols into esters but based upon my readings that is a very slow process (i.e., months). During the time the beer is being aged in the barrel this process may happen. Then again what you might have 3-6 months is a barrel aged beer with notable higher alcohols. Or you could properly brew another batch of beer and age that beer in your barrel.

    To quote Dirty Harry: Do you feel lucky....

    Cheers!
     
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  14. deadwolfbones

    deadwolfbones Pundit (795) Jun 21, 2014 Oregon

    Just curious whether you're saying this because it won't work, or because you're worried about him infecting his equipment?

    Brett stouts are delicious.
     
  15. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    Find someone with a still and donate it :slight_smile:
     
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  16. NeroFiddled

    NeroFiddled Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,276) Jul 8, 2002 Pennsylvania
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    There's always the option of blending depending on how bad or not so bad it turns out, but if you're already willing to dump I'm guessing whatever you've invested in it so far doesn't really matter.
     
  17. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    At the risk of getting long winded, Brett does not fix bad beers. Especially if you're not looking for something phenolic.

    As far as the infecting equipment goes, Brett. sp. are not any hardier than any other yeast strain. If you clean your equipment well, you have nothing about which to worry. That said, you should probably have separate plastic and rubber for your clean and non-sacch. beers.
     
  18. TooHopTooHandle

    TooHopTooHandle Initiate (0) Dec 20, 2016 New York

    A aw
    That was I was thinking of doing. Blending 10 new gallons of beer with the 5 gallons, but honestly not sure if its worth it. Prolly be much easier to just start over
     
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  19. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    That would be the less risky option.

    Cheers!
     
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  20. NeroFiddled

    NeroFiddled Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,276) Jul 8, 2002 Pennsylvania
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    Yes, agreed, throwing good beer after bad is never a good thing but... that essentially happens with barrel aging all of the time and in the end they usually get something that's much greater than the whole of the parts.

    So I'd agree, wait and see, and if it improves to a certain level you could always blend it if needed. It might also be interesting to hold it and blend in different beers that you make that might fit to see if something interesting comes out of it.
     
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