RIP Anthony Bourdain

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  1. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    Although his assumption is baseless, it is certainly not uninformed. Overprescription of anti-depressants, especially SSRIs, are at the root of this suicide issue. Whether or not it was part of the problem in this case, I don't know, as I haven't read that. Unless he's heard differently, that does, indeed, make it speculation, and it is probably way too soon to make comments like this. Just morn the guy and recognize his legacy. Theorize about causation later after the sting as worn off.
     
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  2. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    But the original comment/speculation is uninformed in the sense that it is based on no evidence and therefore relies on stereotyping and flawed logic.
     
  3. ToddSoonerFan

    ToddSoonerFan Initiate (0) Aug 23, 2013 Iowa

    I know it's already been written maybe in different terms. But what impressed, and entertained me the most was that he could go to some jungle somewhere where we've never heard of. And then in the next episode he would be in France surrounded by the world's so-called top chefs. And he would be able to fit in and inform, entertain, and be humbled in both places. One of a Kind!
     
  4. chipawayboy

    chipawayboy Pooh-Bah (2,181) Oct 26, 2007 Massachusetts
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    From a beer perspective - he gets demerits for having a Guinness in London at Princess Victoria Pub with Nigella in a 2016 episode...in the cradle of cask ale....other than that I have nothing but great thoughts about this complex and entertaining dude. RIP AB.
     
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  5. craigbelly

    craigbelly Pooh-Bah (2,770) Dec 31, 2015 Iowa
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    Unapologist...No BS. "Don't love any one thing to much." I use that motto in beer drinking
     
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  6. rgordon

    rgordon Pooh-Bah (2,701) Apr 26, 2012 North Carolina
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    I just now saw the episode where Bourdain and Obama were dining in a very local Hanoi restaurant. It was not an interview, but it was a melding of culture and time. Both men were very cool, relaxed, and just as real as possible. I miss Obama and I miss Anthony. Bourdain went on to explain very concisely how the war never thought of the people on the ground. His journalism was never appreciated as much while he was alive as it will be in time.
     
  7. Smakawhat

    Smakawhat Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,191) Mar 18, 2008 Maryland
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    I absolutely loved the guy.

    His approach to food was just fantastic and something I bond with. Yes he can turn it on and make it important, but he also knew when to just enjoy something that was good, as he said, without having to think about it too much.

    Guy loves amazing food, and then goes and slams some In n Out.

    Kitchen confidential is a great read, and brought back a lot of memories as well for me.

    Going to miss him.
     
  8. JuicesFlowing

    JuicesFlowing Initiate (0) Jul 5, 2009 Kansas

    I always enjoyed his work. I really admired him more after I heard his interview on NPRs fresh air program ... really interesting Guy.
     
  9. meefmoff

    meefmoff Pooh-Bah (1,922) Jul 6, 2014 Massachusetts
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    No they aren't. And you have absolutely no data other than your own internal blathering to support saying that they are.
     
  10. deleted_user_1007501

    deleted_user_1007501 Initiate (0) Jun 30, 2015

    It’s amazing to see how many people he had made an impact on during these past few days. People I wouldn’t have expected in the least to care anything about the experiences of food, travel, or his brilliant and unapologetic writing; we all share that bond for exploration that he only drove deeper into us. To desire the unknown instead of fearing it.

    Suicide is unfathomably complicated, and it always leaves endless speculation and loose ends. We should always work to be the most compassionate version of ourselves. A little heart and communication goes a long way.

    I plan on brewing a Saison with Szechuan peppercorn in his honor. We all know he loved the hot shit.

    Rest In Peace, Tony
     
  11. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    One of their main side effects is an increase in suicidal thoughts. This has been studied for years. For you to say otherwise means that you're either ignoring the studies or too dumb to understand them, because there's no way that you don't know that they exist.

    https://www.bmj.com/content/358/bmj.j3697/rr-4

    https://www.pharmaceutical-journal....althy-adults/20201834.article?firstPass=false
     
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  12. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    The fact that the psychoactive drugs can lead to an increase in suicidal thoughts as a side effect does not mean that "they are at the root of this suicidal issue," to quote your words.

    There are other factors that play a much stronger role in the demographics of suicides, e.g., depression, prior history of substance abuse, lack of access to mental health care, etc.

    To claim that psychoactive drugs are "at the root of this suicidal issue" over simplifies and trivializes the situation. Such drugs could be eliminated completely and the problem won't go away. The problem existed before the development of psychoactive drugs.
     
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  13. oldbean

    oldbean Initiate (0) Jun 30, 2005 Massachusetts

    Even the tragic death of a beloved figure can’t stand in the way of Male Answer Syndrome. Yeah sure it’s sad and whatnot but the important thing to discuss here is that my theory of why it happened is the best one.
     
  14. eppCOS

    eppCOS Grand Pooh-Bah (4,570) Jun 27, 2015 Colorado
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    Was traveling in Alsace to Paris, had just visited the town where Bourdain was found dead, when we heard of the news. Tragic. As I've said many times the last 2-3 years, the "wrong" old people (and in this case not old) are dying. Sucks...
     
  15. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    Nobody's saying that they're the ONLY cause, simply that the overprescription of said chemicals is among the main ones.
     
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  16. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    Wrong.

    Somebody was saying that.

    You.

     
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  17. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    Agree, but since I'm not advancing any theory as to why it happened you might also might want to let those who are advancing a theory know how you feel as well. Effectively we're both making the same point.
     
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  18. LifesAnesthesia

    LifesAnesthesia Pooh-Bah (1,602) Dec 17, 2014 Virginia
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    Such a huge influence on my life as well as countless others - he'll truly be missed.

    "Travel isn’t always pretty. It isn’t always comfortable. Sometimes it hurts, it even breaks your heart. But that’s OK. The journey changes you; it should change you... You take something with you. Hopefully, you leave something good behind" - Anthony Bourdain
     
  19. LarryV

    LarryV Grand Pooh-Bah (5,408) Jun 13, 2001 Massachusetts
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    RIP Anthony, I always enjoy watching his shows. To me though, I sensed an underlying melancholy note that suggested to me that he had some demons to contend with. I can't and won't speculate on why he decided to end his life but I will miss his perspective on travel, food and the world in general.
     
  20. rgordon

    rgordon Pooh-Bah (2,701) Apr 26, 2012 North Carolina
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    Thanks for pointing that out. I wanted to say something, but for some reason I resisted the urge. The problem is deeply rooted in in most human cultures and there is no simple way to begin to understand it or describe why people kill themselves. Each situation is uniquely a personal narrative, most often without any answer as to why it happened. It can be completely mystifying; no drugs, no seeming depression, no lack of potential mental health help. I know of two families very close to me that have a seeming suicide gene. Siblings, parent then child, and going back generations. Often people who commit suicide are very creative individuals.
     
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