Low ABV craft beer styles vs. AAL/Mexican Lager

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If craft beer was the same price as AALs would you still buy AAL's?

  1. Yes - I'd still buy AALs

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  2. No - If craft style options were same price as AALs, I'd never buy AALs again

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  1. bubseymour

    bubseymour Grand Pooh-Bah (4,800) Oct 30, 2010 Maryland
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    If most all the <6% ABV beer styles, Pilsners, Helles lagers, Kolsch, Gose, session IPAs, Pale ales, English milds (basically all of the lighter, easy to drink beers), could be available at same price as AALs or mexican lagers, would you ever buy AALs? This is for people who actually tolerate/enjoy AALs either regularly or on occasions.
     
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  2. Squire

    Squire Grand Pooh-Bah (4,385) Jul 16, 2015 Mississippi
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    That doesn't happen even in my dreams.
     
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  3. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    From my perspective there us a time and place for any beer style. I do not purchase AAL beers often but I do buy them occasionally and I enjoy drinking them on those occasions.

    While I am on the topic the beer style of AAL does not 100% correlate with non-craft. I recently drank an AAL beer brewed by Sierra Nevada (Sierraveza) and I enjoyed drinking that beer.

    https://www.beeradvocate.com/community/threads/new-beer-sunday-week-691.573622/#post-6027384

    Cheers!
     
  4. MostlyNorwegian

    MostlyNorwegian Pooh-Bah (2,236) Feb 5, 2013 Illinois
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    The awareness that there is a cost of ingredients prevents me.
     
  5. bubseymour

    bubseymour Grand Pooh-Bah (4,800) Oct 30, 2010 Maryland
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    I do not buy AALs often, but when I do, its either to save money or there isn't a another comparable craft option (i.e. light beer). I'm just curious if others actually prefer AAL at times if price was removed from the decision. If you were at a BBQ on a hot day and there was some good Pilsners, Helles Lager etc. would you still ever have a desire to reach for your favorite AAL?
     
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  6. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    It would depend on the mood I am in at the moment.

    I was at a party yesterday and I brought my homebrewed beers. I drank homebrewed Dubbel, Classic American Pilsner, Centennial IPA and later in the evening I drank a can of Miller Lite.

    Things are not either/or for me.

    Cheers!

    Edit: I did not bring the Miller Lite - this beer was provided by the party host.
     
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  7. TheGent

    TheGent Grand Pooh-Bah (4,235) Jun 29, 2010 New Jersey
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    My wife would become a craft beer drinker.
     
  8. NeroFiddled

    NeroFiddled Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,276) Jul 8, 2002 Pennsylvania
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    This is a very interesting question. It seems that more and more craft brewers are brewing AALs or something similar (i.e. Founder's Solid Gold, Full Sail Summa' Time Lime Lager, Anchor's Los Gigantes, etc.). Why? Because people are buying it. But isn't that selling out? I'm not sure that any of the breweries listed ever spoke out against AALs, at least on the record, but the general mindset that I've encountered over the years is that craft beer was not about making AALs and similar beers. I find it disturbing to be honest, that Full Sail is now making a Corona Extra knock-off with the lime already mixed in - that seems like an A-B move. What's next? And why are people buying it?

    Finally, I haven't done the homework, but I'm pretty sure that these "craft" AALs and so forth will score much better on beer rating sites than their predecessors. That's just sad.
     
  9. nc41

    nc41 Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    Hey, I like lighter lagers and there's a bunch thats worth buying. There's no problem liking Budweiser and its competition , and sometimes they are perfect and the lower Abv can be a plus. Perfect for the beach and pool, they have to be ice cold to be good, but under these kind of circumstances it's a nice match. There's a reason why smaller craft breweries are brewing these beers, go into any bar and see what's on the bar, even in craft bars there's still a ton of Corona and Miller Lite in sight. I'm sure they're well aware of the beer sales charts and the sheer volume that represents both in beer and money.
     
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  10. bubseymour

    bubseymour Grand Pooh-Bah (4,800) Oct 30, 2010 Maryland
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    Just for arguement sake, what if at the end of the night the host also still had an assortment of Von Trappe lagers, Suarez lagers (or other well made light lagers) along with the Miller Lite option. You still grab for the Miller Lite?
     
  11. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I still had my homebrewed Classic American Pilsner in my cooler "at the end of the night" and yet I drank that Miller Lite.

    Does that answer your question?

    Cheers!
     
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  12. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    I'd continue to drink the craft beers. Even when a craft brewer brews an equivalent of an AAL/MAL it tends to have much more flavor. That's the name of the same for me.
     
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  13. bubseymour

    bubseymour Grand Pooh-Bah (4,800) Oct 30, 2010 Maryland
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    Didn't mean to put you on the spot but this is sort of what I was interested to find out from fellow AAL/lager drinking BA's, if craft beer drinkers genuinely like to occasionally have an AAL even if there are comparable style craft beer options available (or if buying and price was removed from the decision equation). I guess the answer is yes, sometimes some craft beer drinkers do prefer AALs. I personally enjoy many AALs and Mexican lagers, I've got my favorites and also several I don't care for much, but I really don't think I'd choose any AALs over a fresh Pilsner Urquell, numerous other sub 6% German/American craft lagers no matter the situation. Ice cold, a fresh PU would always trump any BMC AAL (or Narragansett, Hamms, Sol, Corona, for that matter). I pretty much only go AAL to save a buck or no other light beer options.
     
  14. deleted_user_1007501

    deleted_user_1007501 Initiate (0) Jun 30, 2015

    This is a great question from OP. I am absolutely not opposed to AALs, but the price point and/or just a simple craving for them is usually why I buy them. Often times they’re a little too sweet for me, but a 30-pack of Hamm’s for $11? I’m sold. Especially to just have around the house.

    That said, if I could get a 30-pack of a well-made Pilsner or Kölsch with good ingredients for $11? Ain’t no fuckin question about it, I would choose that.

    It’s like asking: for $500 would you rather buy a 1995 Honda Civic (it’s reliable, easy to fix, gets the job done) or an Audi for the same price? Many people are gonna choose an Audi, but I wouldn’t blame anybody if they chose the former.
     
  15. HorseheadsHophead

    HorseheadsHophead Grand Pooh-Bah (3,732) Sep 15, 2014 Colorado
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    I think we would purchase and drink what we like regardless of the price. I mean, we already do.
     
  16. bbtkd

    bbtkd Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,790) Sep 20, 2015 South Dakota
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    Flawed survey. Since you talk about craft vs. AAL I presume the AAL is BMC/macro. If so, then the missing survey options are "I don't drink AAL", and to be thorough "I don't drink craft". You'd probably find that a majority on this site don't drink AAL/BMC/Macro.
     
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  17. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    Why? Lots of non-macro* US breweries still market American adjunct lagers - starting with Pabst and their large (but shrinking) portfolio of once large-selling regional brands but also from the most of the surviving pre-craft breweries like Yuengling, Minhas (Huber and others), City (various contract brews), Schell (and Grain Belt), Straub, Cold Spring, Genesee, Matt (Utica Club), Stevens Point, The Lion, Spoetzl, Iron City and near countless and constantly revived brands like Narragansett, Duquesne, Piels, Champagne Velvet, Lemp, Fitgers, Walters, Gerst.... Add to that the current trend of craft/ex-craft breweries like Founders, Sierra Nevada and others adding adjunct lagers to their portfolios.

    *At this point, the only "macro" brewers - using the Brewers Association definition of "Large brewer" being 6m bbl/yr and up - left in the US are AB and MC, along with the US-based w/Mexican-breweries Constellation. I guess with Heineken (over 8m bbls) owning Lagunitas, they qualify as an "American macro brewer", even thought only a small percentage of their beers are brewed here.
     
  18. marquis

    marquis Pooh-Bah (2,313) Nov 20, 2005 England
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    JD Power survey of cars placed Audi next to the bottom,just above BMW. Honda came near the top. Reputations do not always match reality.
    Same with beer,call a beer "craft" and people rate it higher than a macro brewed one which might be equally enjoyable and with similar taste.
     
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  19. bubseymour

    bubseymour Grand Pooh-Bah (4,800) Oct 30, 2010 Maryland
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    The survey is intended for people who drink AAL's (macro, independent, craft, Mexican, Canadian etc.) and also drink light craft lagers & ales. If you are only in one camp then survey isn't for you.
     
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  20. rgordon

    rgordon Pooh-Bah (2,701) Apr 26, 2012 North Carolina
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    I'm an equal opportunity beer drinker. I like having "industrial" beer (Hamms ,Miller High Life) as easy drinking "pace" brews.I always have Sierra Nevada Pale Ale and Torpedo to drink a couple. I'll also buy anything new that I see that strikes my fancy. I like the price of Hamms and Miller, and I can always get 12 packs of Sierra Nevada for $12.99. My son is still in the business and brings by many new and often esoteric beers. The Hamms and Miller are very good for what they are and are great values. If Founders or Sierra Nevada offered similar beers at equal prices, I would still buy both "industrial" and craft.
     
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