Beer Aptitude Scale...

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by HumphreyLee, Nov 2, 2012.

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  1. HumphreyLee

    HumphreyLee Initiate (0) Jan 15, 2011 Pennsylvania

    This has been something that I've been considering now that I'm nearing my second year of being "down the rabbit hole" on this hobby. In that time I've gone from having had, eh, say 75 different beers in my life - mostly BMC and their tributary "pseudo-craft" stuff and some stuff from Dogfish, Sam Adams, etc. - to now having had about 450 different beers since January 2011 and having tried the wares of at least 125 different breweries and so on. I've gone from "ooo, what's this?!" to now having a closet of fours and sixes of Breakfast Stout, Mad Elf, Black Chocolate and Expedition Stout and so on, I've got a shelf of almost three dozen bombers - various Yetis, Bitches Brew, several Southern Tier Imperials, Stone's, Elysians, Jolly Pumpkin's, stuff from the Bruery, barleywines, RIS's, an Old Raspy XIV - and I'm giving it a go aging stuff since I think I have a solid environment for it in there (fingers crossed). So, obviously I'm not a novice anymore, but, I've never had a Pliny or a KBS, hell I still dream of just trying some Deschutes or Russian River product. I've still barely scratched the surface on Lambics and Sours, still developing a palate for IPAs, and, hell, I'm still just getting down the fundamentals of how brewing works reading articles here and there on the processes and whatnot. Even if I wanted to start brewing I don't know where to begin and kind of live in an apartment so not an option.

    So, basically, what I'm getting at is do you all think there's a, like, unwritten "scale" or whatever it is for beer knowledge? I'm no longer a novice but given my lack of hands on experience with some of the higher profile brews, brewers, and styles I can't think I'm anything more than an "amateur" right now. I mean, I like to think I'm a guy who is starting to know his shit in a hobby where obviously no one is going to know everything, but I know better than to compare it to some of the folks here who have literally tried thousands, brewed hundreds themselves, and so on and so forth. I also don't really know what implies an "expert" out there besides just having all that extra experience with beer - both drinking it and making it (or at least grasping how to). I mean, I'm an expert as far as people I know in my life whose beer knowledge is that they have occasionally gotten "dangerous" and had some Sam Adams product are concerned and wonder if that's all it really takes; you drink more.

    Oh, and also, I know none of this really matters. A hobby is a hobby and the point is that you enjoy it and learn it and revel in it. I've got 20 years of comic book reading to attest to this. The point is information, enjoyment, and expansion on these. But hey, I figured it was something to discuss. Cheers...
     
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  2. Gonzoillini

    Gonzoillini Initiate (0) Oct 15, 2008 Illinois

    Congrats on enjoying a hobby that can take more of your time, money, living space than you would ever imagine...

    My biggest advice is to get involved with local BeerAdvocates / RateBeerians or other interested beer folks. Being involved in a tasting group of friends whom I've all met through the online beer community has been by far the most rewarding aspect of the hobby.

    And homebrewing provides the most solid base for your future appreciation of beer. Grounds you in the fundamentals and instills an appreciation for well done classic styles that often get overlooked in the modern craft beer environment. I started brewing in college with a roomate in a tiny place with an electric stove using my closet as my fermentation area. If you really want to give it a go it can be done.

    Cheers!
     
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  3. TheBishopco

    TheBishopco Initiate (0) Feb 4, 2011 Tennessee

    You'll be getting your "Amateur - Moderate Level III" card in the mail soon.
     
  4. HumphreyLee

    HumphreyLee Initiate (0) Jan 15, 2011 Pennsylvania

    Sadly, my closet that is looking to be ideal for beer storage - it never really gets higher than mid-60's in there and hovers around high 50's most of the year, though I worry it might be a little dry in there - is the only place I'd really have for a homebrew kit. So, between bottles and, y'know, clothes, there's pretty much no room in there. Well, I have a "dining space" in my apartment, but that's where I have 26 backbreaking long boxes of comics. Though, we do have a common space in the complex and I'm tempted to ask my landlord if I have the go ahead to use up some of it for a brew kit. Not like I'm not down there every day to work over my punching bag that helps me keep trim while consuming all these new beers =)
     
  5. Longstaff

    Longstaff Initiate (0) May 23, 2002 Massachusetts

    For homebrewing, one should start here: http://www.howtobrew.com/

    Don't let an apartment hold you back, I brewed all grain batches every other week for a few years in my apartment - of course I went through two a/c units, ruined a stove, and had to scrub the dripping malt off the walls before I left, but it was all worth it.

    And # of samples does not necessarily equate with beer knowledge. I kow plenty of people that have had many more ticks that I could in a lifetime and still don't know shit about the technical aspects of beer - they use the buzzwords, ingredient names, know all the brewers names (even pretend to be bestest friends with some), know all the whalez/rarez etc., but when they open their mouth about brewing, its painfully obvious that they only have a cursory knowledge level. Homebrewing is no guarantee either, but if you stick with it, do a lot of research, understand ingredients beyond their name, know what makes styles tick, understand common faults, etc., it gives a better appreciation and understanding of what it takes to make beer and becomes a basis of connoisseurship (which is a much different concept than the popular "what else you got" mentaility).
     
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  6. CellarGimp

    CellarGimp Initiate (0) Sep 14, 2011 Missouri

    If you feel you need to measure your aptitude (which I can relate to), start with a Certified Beer Server from cicerone.org If you can pass that you are a well studied amateur and can start studying for the Certified Cicerone. If you can pass that, then your pretty accomplished, an expert by ordinary standards, but will still be far away from a great many folks who are just way ahead of you in experience and knowledge. The truly enlightened expert realizes that he has only scratched the surface, can never learn everything and can continue to gain knowledge from those above him as well as those below.

    As far as getting real experience, time and tics cannot be substituted.
     
  7. fredmugs

    fredmugs Initiate (0) Aug 11, 2012 Indiana

    I'm pretty much in the same boat. My problem is my palette really does not discern the individual ingredients in beer so it's hard for me to rate things. To that end I try to come on here and read reviews and get an idea of what other people are saying and comparing that to what I like and think. Problem is I think a lot of these reviewers are full of crap. I don't think I'll ever detect bubble gum notes in wheat beer for example.

    Now that I've had over half of the 100 Beers of Fame listed here I have a pretty good idea of what I like and don't like and what I want to try.
     
  8. Quaffer

    Quaffer Maven (1,271) Jan 31, 2003 Missouri

    Dear Lord, no. Some kind of aptitude scale or ranking system is the last thing we need. The idiotic Cicerone program is bad enough.

    Just enjoy your beer, taking pride in the fact that you are expanding your knowledge in a hobby that you love.
     
  9. dckepley

    dckepley Initiate (0) Aug 13, 2006 Iowa


    Agreed. A pissing contest of beer knowledge is the last thing we need. Just enjoy your new hobby, learn as you go, and take it for what it's worth. We enjoy everything "beer". Keep on truckin!
     
  10. rolltide8425

    rolltide8425 Pooh-Bah (2,470) Feb 18, 2011 Pennsylvania
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    I have the same issue and I think it's related to the fact that I can't smell very well. I still get great enjoyment out of beer, but not the multitude of flavors some on here do.
     
  11. Orca

    Orca Grand Pooh-Bah (4,710) Sep 18, 2010 Washington
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    If there is, it should remain unwritten. Enjoy your beer, keep on learning and expanding. But mostly, enjoy your beer. Your knowledge and experience will speak for itself. Cheers!
     
  12. FEUO

    FEUO Initiate (0) Jul 24, 2012 Canada (ON)

    My recommendation for helping develop your palette is to taste a beer along side someone with a developed palette and see if you pick up what they are picking up. There are a couple fellers on the youtubes that describe the nose and taste of beer with some good detail and explanations. For example, I grabbed a Founders Breakfast and watched Chris Steltz's review of it while having some tastes. Great help picking up some of the less obvious notes.
     
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  13. fredmugs

    fredmugs Initiate (0) Aug 11, 2012 Indiana

    I just happen to have some FBS. Thanks!
     
  14. FosterJM

    FosterJM Initiate (0) Nov 16, 2009 California

    When you get to the level of Homebrew42 & JessKidden turn around and start over. You've reached the end.

    Cheers!
     
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  15. Hanzo

    Hanzo Initiate (0) Feb 27, 2012 Virginia

    I judge peoples experience level by how many whales they've ticked.
     
  16. otispdriftwood

    otispdriftwood Initiate (0) Dec 9, 2011 Colorado

    As long as someone who doesn't know more than me about beer decides to piss on my leg and tell me it's raining, I'm ok. It's the misinformed know-it-alls that get me p.o.'ed
     
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  17. 3rdto1st

    3rdto1st Initiate (0) Dec 1, 2011 California

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  18. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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  19. frazbri

    frazbri Initiate (0) Oct 29, 2003 Ohio

    It has been said "there are no beer experts, just beer drinkers with opinions." (not my words, or how I really feel about it)
     
  20. HumphreyLee

    HumphreyLee Initiate (0) Jan 15, 2011 Pennsylvania

    Well, "scale" is the problem part of what I was trying to convey. I don't want to like make some BS arbitrary ranking system or anything like that. That's absurd. It's more that I just wonder what it means to be a "beer expert" or whatever you want to call it. I mean, to a bunch of people I'm an "expert" and to them I guess I am, but until I get more styles and maybe some more of the Top 100, or at least the Beers of Fame, under my belt, I have to laugh that off. And then stuff happens like I go to the store and spent 10 minutes helping people who don't know what they're getting into and I wonder "am I really a go to person on this now"? It's not like my other hobbies where I know I know my stuff. I've read well over 10,000 comic books and I've written over 300 reviews for them on a pretty well visited site. I know that shit. When I tell you The Sandman, Preacher, Transmetropolitan, etc are must reads and better than almost anything else you're going to read, I know I'm stating fact and not blowing smoke up your ass. When I'm at the store and telling someone there trying something new that if they're into citrus and hops then Two Hearted is "as good as it gets", well, how the heck do I know I'm telling the truth? Kind of get where I'm coming from now?
     
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