Brewery competition help

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  1. Prep8611

    Prep8611 Savant (1,208) Aug 22, 2014 New Jersey

    Hey a brewery in my town is having a homebrew competition where winning beer will be made on their 3 barrel system. Styles allowed are belgian pale, Belgian ipa, Trappist styles, American pale and American ipa. They said NE styles will also be allowed. I feel like if I don’t brew a NE style beer it will be very difficult to stand out/ win. I’m contemplating making a German take on an American IPA with pilsner carahell German ale yeast and heavily hop with hallertau blanc and mandarina Bavaria.

    Other than that I’m looking for suggestions. I don’t think I will be able to complete a Trappist style beer besides a tripel in this sort amount of time( competition is in a month and a half)
     
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  2. hoptualBrew

    hoptualBrew Initiate (0) May 29, 2011 Florida

    How will the winning beer be chosen? People's choice? Judge's panel? Are the judges BJCP?
     
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  3. MrOH

    MrOH Grand Pooh-Bah (3,995) Jul 5, 2010 Virginia
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    Maybe trying out a NEIPA with a Belgian yeast would be a great way to stand out.

    Also, can you submit two beers? If so, I think we'd all like to know how the AP Dubbel does.
     
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  4. GormBrewhouse

    GormBrewhouse Pooh-Bah (2,111) Jun 24, 2015 Vermont
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    Month and a half ,,,, you could easy do a Belgian 6% pale, or hoegarden style brew, or witte style also popular. And there are Belgian lagers.

    What beers a does this brewery brew
     
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  5. PortLargo

    PortLargo Pooh-Bah (1,831) Oct 19, 2012 Florida
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    KISS . . . everybody's brewing NEIPA, maybe you want to try something very simple. A Patersbier (Trappist Single) can easily be ready in a month. That's been pleasing the Bros (and Fathers) for over 400 years.
     
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  6. hoptualBrew

    hoptualBrew Initiate (0) May 29, 2011 Florida

    If it’s people’s choice, get creative/loud.

    If it’s judge’s choice, brew traditional and execute the beer well to style, without flaw.

    Judges look for adherence to style and lack of flaw. Consumers just want to drink crazy, creative, fun beer. That’s what I’ve found.
     
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  7. Prep8611

    Prep8611 Savant (1,208) Aug 22, 2014 New Jersey

    I believe the brewery employees will be judging. No formal BJCP judges as far as I know
     
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  8. Prep8611

    Prep8611 Savant (1,208) Aug 22, 2014 New Jersey

    I like the idea of a well executed Trappist single....
    Thinking all pilsner, hopped with styrian goldings, not sure what yeast. My LHBS only sells dry and imperial organic. Any ideas fellas?
     
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  9. PortLargo

    PortLargo Pooh-Bah (1,831) Oct 19, 2012 Florida
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    Beg, borrow, or steal some 3787 FTW . . . and ferm temp should be 72'ish. All pilsner works, maybe a dab of wheat if you feel inclined . . . Sty Golding is perfect.
     
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  10. Prep8611

    Prep8611 Savant (1,208) Aug 22, 2014 New Jersey

    Would Ardennes or la chouffe work?
     
  11. PortLargo

    PortLargo Pooh-Bah (1,831) Oct 19, 2012 Florida
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    Ardennes (3522) would be my second choice, I regularly use it in addition to 3787 (72 degrees also).

    Any competition is a crap shoot, if judges are a bunch of hop-heads that don't understand Belgians this might not work. Also, they aren't likely to pick something that would be technically difficult for them to brew even if it's great. But if they appreciate the magic of Belgian yeast and you deliver the right esters you can go far. Who wouldn't like a beer that keeps this fellow happy?

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  12. MrOH

    MrOH Grand Pooh-Bah (3,995) Jul 5, 2010 Virginia
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    I liked the Fermentis BE-256 yeast, if you have to go dry and its available. The Llalamande Abbaye was decent as well. Both seemed very similar to Chimay.
    For a singel, you can go a little heavier on hops than most other Trappist styles. A judicious whirlpool addition of one of the less extreme NZ hops might really set it off. I've used Pacifica in a beer like this before and really liked it.
     
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  13. wasatchback

    wasatchback Pooh-Bah (1,574) Jan 12, 2014 Tajikistan
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    Brew something like an XX Bitter or Taras Boulba... Dry, bitter, highly carbonated beers that are super refreshing and have very slight Belgian character. Awesome summertime drinks and I guarantee you no one will brew anything like them.

    XX Bitter is brewed with. BE-256.

    Or you could try something like WLp515 or the Omega Version which is Belgian Ale DK. Awesome very clean Yeast with just a touch of Belgian Character. Similar to what De La Senne uses for Taras I believe

    Tons of Styrian Golding hops, very low FG.

    They’re like Belgian Pilsners. Beer’s that brewers want to drink, which especially if it’s being judged by brewers, might give u a leg up.

    If you’ve never had these beers, I’d highly suggest you check them out. They’re unbelievable and really hard to find anything like them in the US. Hoppy Table Beer from Allagash might be close but not really.
     
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  14. Prep8611

    Prep8611 Savant (1,208) Aug 22, 2014 New Jersey

    I’m gonna try to find 3787. Want to keep it simple and use saaz for buttering. May whirlpool a little citra or hallertau blanc and dry hop but I’m not sure if I would be better served being casual. I’m worried if I go to simple and just make a good beer that I will lose to all the bold flavors of the American ipas.
     
  15. Prep8611

    Prep8611 Savant (1,208) Aug 22, 2014 New Jersey

    Ok turns out imperial organic has both 3787 and 1214(westmalle abd Chimay). Which strain would be better?
     
  16. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Ardennes (Wyeast 3522) or Belgian Ale (WLP550) should work for a Single. I've used it/both in BPAs and I think they have great balance between phenolic and estery flavors; recognizably Belgian character, but won't overpower the malt character. I ferment about 68F, but it can certainly go higher. Although these have ben reported to be the same strain, my sense (note: no A/B comparisons) is that 3522 leans a little more toward phenolic and WLP550 leans a little more toward estery. But I'd say the difference (if it actually exists) is subtle.

    ETA: I would probably add a little biscuit and/or aromatic to the pilsner, but keep it low enough to not ass much color.
     
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  17. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Or, ya know, ADD much color. That's what you get for editing right at the 15 minute mark.
     
  18. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    If they have limited the styles, that suggests they are open to brewing any of these styles. Consider what their current line-up of beers looks like and avoid making anything that feels too close to those beers.
     
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  19. Prep8611

    Prep8611 Savant (1,208) Aug 22, 2014 New Jersey

    I’m actually sold on westmalle or Chimay strain now that I know imperial organic carries it. I was thinking adding a little biscuit malt or going straight pilsner. Definitely leading toward 1oz hallertau at 60 and 30 minutes styrian goldings. Although it will be “boring” it should be relatively flawless(hopefully) and I have tasted some of the beers that came from the homebrew club that will be competing and there were a fair amount of bad beers. Sometimes not making mistakes can get you to the top.
     
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  20. Prep8611

    Prep8611 Savant (1,208) Aug 22, 2014 New Jersey

    They have a fair amount of New England ipas. Lots of dry hopped saisons and kettle sours. I’m worried that with a basic beer I won’t be able to stand in that lineup.
     
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