Timeframe for temperature control when fermenting?

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  1. Lexicon

    Lexicon Initiate (0) Apr 3, 2018 Canada (ON)

    Hey all, I got such great advice with my last conundrum I figured I'd ask for some expertise again. Apologies in advance if this is a common question; I couldn't quite find what I was looking for via the search bar.

    I finally got the air conditioning installed in my apartment last month, just in time to brew up a 5-gallon batch of rye APA. As it turns out, my apartment isn't as evenly cooled as I thought, and I was alarmed to discover that my fermentor (which I keep in my office in a different room than the window air conditioning unit) indicated temperatures as high as 80F within the first few days. The perils of brewing in summertime, I suppose. I was really looking forward to drinking this one, so fingers tightly crossed I don't end up with any off flavours.

    My question is this: I'm currently trying to find a bargain for the right sized chest freezer so I can get some easy temperature control, but in the meantime, how long would I need to keep a swamp cooler going once I've started fermentation on my next batch? Since it's typically the first few days that the yeast are most active, am I right in thinking that I'd only really need to keep it to temp during this time? When can I stop worrying about keeping things cool, or shocking the yeast by letting it return to ambient temperature?

    To make it a little lower maintenance, I was also thinking of wrapping next batch's fermentor in a single layer of wet paper towel and pointing a fan at it. What's your method?

    Thanks in advance. Cheers!
     
  2. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    “Since it's typically the first few days that the yeast are most active, am I right in thinking that I'd only really need to keep it to temp during this time?” The first 3-4 days are indeed the most critical. During the Exponential Growth Phase is when flavors (and off-flavors) are developed.

    “When can I stop worrying about keeping things cool, or shocking the yeast by letting it return to ambient temperature?” Once the Exponential Growth Phase is completed the fermentation goes into the Stationary Phase of Yeast Growth. Temperature control at this point is less critical in comparison to the Exponential Growth Phase. I personally become less concerned about the temperature of the beer in the primary once all signs of fermentation are complete.

    You can learn more about the various phases here: https://byo.com/article/fermentation-time-line/

    Cheers!
     
  3. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    Nice article link, @JackHorzempa.

    Can’t say I ever associated airlock aromas with olives before.
     
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  4. riptorn

    riptorn Pooh-Bah (1,776) Apr 26, 2018 Georgia
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    I also have less than desirable ferm temp control and did similar on my most recent brew.
    My fermentor bucket went in a plastic tub with a few inches of water in it. I draped a damp bath towel over the fermentor and made sure the bottom of the towel was always in the water to create some wicking action, then directed the fan at it. It's not optimal but better than nothing.
    Bottles of frozen water in the tub can help....put'em in, take 'em out as needed and stir the water occasionally.

    ....and yes, good info linked by @JackHorzempa
     
  5. billandsuz

    billandsuz Pooh-Bah (2,097) Sep 1, 2004 New York
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    It is unlikely you will shock the yeast with a swamp cooler. We typically associate that with putting ambient temp yeast slurry into a cold wort. But the yeast should tolerate a fair amount of temp swing from cold to warm.

    As always, use your hydrometer. When fermentation stops you are ok. But a few more days at colder temps will help to clear the beer.
    Cheers
     
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  6. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    I doubt a swamp cooler is going to work that well in a high humidity environment...make sure you use ice bottles and change out frequently the first 2 days...after that not so much as a gradual rise towards 70*F is actually desirable for most yeast strains. Get a $3 fermometer and stick it on your fermenter and check often.
     
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  7. NorCalKid

    NorCalKid Initiate (0) Jan 10, 2018 California

    When you find a chest freezer to your liking be sure to get a temperature controller. I use the Johnson a419. Fairly simple and effective.
     
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  8. Prep8611

    Prep8611 Savant (1,208) Aug 22, 2014 New Jersey

    Inkbird is cheaper and easier :wink:
     
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  9. Lexicon

    Lexicon Initiate (0) Apr 3, 2018 Canada (ON)

    Thanks for all the advice and resources, everyone! Real helpful stuff. As it happens, I got lucky with a mini-fridge just this afternoon that'll fit two of my three-gallon better bottle carboys and then some, so I'm just about ready to roll on my next batch.

    Now that I'm looking into temp control solutions, I've been checking out the Inkbird ITC 308. Quite affordable at my local shop. I like to think I'm the DIY type, but I'm hesitant when it comes to electrical stuff, so I like the plug-and-play of this model. Is this what you have? Anybody know if I can just run it into the fridge under the door without having to drill anything, or will that opening of the seal (however slight) cause too many temperature fluctuations?
     
  10. Maestro0708

    Maestro0708 Initiate (0) Feb 27, 2015 Kentucky

    This is what I use with my chest freezer and I highly recommend it. I just attach the probe to the side of my fermenter and run the cord into the freezer through the lid. I have never experienced issues with temperature fluctuations using this method.

    Cheers
     
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  11. Prep8611

    Prep8611 Savant (1,208) Aug 22, 2014 New Jersey

    I use this model on a chest freezer. The directions on the package are whack but there are plenty of useful instructions online.
     
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  12. riptorn

    riptorn Pooh-Bah (1,776) Apr 26, 2018 Georgia
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    The same model Inkbird is available HERE for 30% less.
     
  13. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    @Lexicon just run the probe thru the door/lid and let the gasket close on it. No special drilling, etc. is needed.
     
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  14. Lexicon

    Lexicon Initiate (0) Apr 3, 2018 Canada (ON)

    Thanks, all! What a fantastic community this is.

    Cheers! Just ordered it from there instead, arriving this Friday. Very excited for the quality improvements I have to look forward to with reliable temperature control...not to mention getting to try my hand with the lager family.
     
  15. NorCalKid

    NorCalKid Initiate (0) Jan 10, 2018 California

    As long as the door shuts tight enough and the stripping is good you won’t have any problems. At least in my case, my keezer holds its temp just fine.
     
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  16. Prep8611

    Prep8611 Savant (1,208) Aug 22, 2014 New Jersey

    Welcome. Fermentation temps are what made my biggest improvement to beer. Making clean beer and the ability to cold crash has been awesome.
     
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  17. billandsuz

    billandsuz Pooh-Bah (2,097) Sep 1, 2004 New York
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    A little known advantage of the chest freezer/keezer build is that cold air sinks and stays put.
    Those open air ice cream freezers at your grocery store prove the point. Everything is reliably sub freezing beneath the magic line.

    Front door refrigerators and freezers lose all of the cold air when they are opened, it falls out. Not so with a chest freezer. Cold air just sits in there.
    Cheers.
     
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  18. Lexicon

    Lexicon Initiate (0) Apr 3, 2018 Canada (ON)

    Unfortunately I don't have the space for a chest freezer in my apartment, so I opted for a mini-fridge instead. I'll just have to make sure to resist the temptation to open the door & check on the yeasties too much. :wink:
     
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