BA Barleywines without a non-BA version

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  1. dlcarst

    dlcarst Zealot (733) Aug 21, 2015 Missouri
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    I love barleywines. They are one of my favorite styles and the absolute best style to cellar. The problem is, they're hard to find consistently. Bigfoot is the only one I can count on every year. This year we didn't get Olde School or Horn Dog, although I found Old Foghorn for the first time this year. And of course Stone discontinued their once-reliable Old Guardian.

    I've had quite a few bourbon barrel aged barleywines from breweries that do not offer a non-BA version. That bugs me. My favorite local brewery is soon doing the same. I asked why no non-BA version, and they didn't really have a reason. BA barleywines can be absolutely amazing, but are usually too expensive to buy many for cellaring, and the barrel characteristics that make them worth the money fall off over time. I just wish every brewery that brews a barleywine would release an affordable, non-BA version. Some of the culprits I've found:

    4 Hands Father Time
    Revolution Straight Jacket
    Great Lakes BA Barleywine
    Great Divide Old Ruffian (used to have a non-BA version but now discontinued)
    Central Waters BBA Barleywine
    Firestone Walker Sucaba
    Firestone Walker Helldorado
    Big Sky Olde Bluehair
    Against the Grain London Balling
    Bourbon County Barleywine

    I know this is not a new trend, because many of these have been around for years. But in looking back at my last 2 years of ratings, I've had more BA barleywines than non-BA barleywines, and I've bought just about every barleywine I can get my hands on. I'd like the ratio to be comparable to imperial stouts. Am I the only one that wants many more reasonably priced, readily available barleywines to stock my cellar?
     
  2. bbtkd

    bbtkd Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,790) Sep 20, 2015 South Dakota
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    This actually happens quite often in other styles that are barrel aged. For instance, some have speculated that the base beer for Founders KBS is FBS, to the point where Founders announced it's not. I heard that Founders had the base stout for KBS on tap once, and it wasn't loved. I believe that in many instances, the base beer is engineered to work well with barrel aging, and may not taste good on its own. Personally, I'm not a barelywine fan, so barrel aging improves it vastly, and I'm not interested in the base beer.
     
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  3. HorseheadsHophead

    HorseheadsHophead Grand Pooh-Bah (3,732) Sep 15, 2014 Colorado
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    I've noticed this, too. Barleywines have slowly disappeared in recent years. On the rare occasion somebody makes one, it's barrel aged. Then again, it's not all that surprising. Imperial stouts are often on the same route.
     
  4. SammyJaxxxx

    SammyJaxxxx Initiate (0) Feb 23, 2012 New Jersey

    Kane brews a BA Barleywine Object Permenace. They also brew Vengeful Heart which is a non BA Barleywine and is a completely different beer.
     
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  5. Mshea805

    Mshea805 Initiate (0) Apr 12, 2014 California

    Its because most of them are brewed from the beginning with the intention of going into oak, and by recipe are different than similar beers not planned for barrel aging.
     
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  6. Vitacca

    Vitacca Pooh-Bah (2,250) Sep 15, 2010 Montana
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    Perennial has Vermilion and BA Vermilion. Never got to try the BA version. I bet it’s grrrrreat!
     
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  7. FBarber

    FBarber Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,325) Mar 5, 2016 Illinois
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    Had it and it was as good as you'd expect :wink:

    That being said, I really enjoy the non-BA version.
     
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  8. ernh

    ernh Maven (1,341) Jun 10, 2012 California

    I think Lagunitas still does their Gnarleywine each year. But agree, the field seems to have thinned.

    Or, look at The Bruery, which has rebranded all their barleywine as "Imperial Brown" reportedly because the term barleywine is too intimidating to a lot of causal buyers. Perhaps there are more barleywines hiding out there in sheep's clothing.
     
  9. Lahey

    Lahey Initiate (0) Nov 12, 2016 Michigan

    I'm a little worn out on BBA anything. Been liking lower abv beers that don't drink like aunt Jemima syrup. I'll get back to the thick stuff this fall/winter.
     
  10. bstyle

    bstyle Initiate (0) Apr 27, 2006 Indiana

    What about AleSmith Old Numbskull or Bell’s Third Coast Old Ale? Three Floyd’s Behemoth has always been a personal favorite.
     
  11. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    It certainly feels like bourbon (or insert other spirit) has become the new norm for barley wines. It’s too bad. Stating my dumb opinion as fact alert: Bourbon is the worst thing to happen to barley wine.
     
  12. dennis3951

    dennis3951 Initiate (0) Mar 6, 2008 New Jersey

    I wish more breweries would brew Imperial Stouts without added flavors.
     
  13. BruChef

    BruChef Maven (1,277) Nov 8, 2009 New York
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    NC Old Stock Ale is pretty readily available as is the BA’d version.
    And although a BA’d version of DFH Olde School doesn’t exist in bottles, it’s pretty easy to track down when it’s released and when it’s been properly cellared for a few years, I’d argue that it’s as good if not better than many other BWs that are BA’d.
     
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  14. Hinda65

    Hinda65 Pooh-Bah (1,908) May 7, 2017 Utah
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    Last year Epic released a non-BA version and a BA version...I believe they release both every year...should be next month
     
  15. hopsputin

    hopsputin Grand Pooh-Bah (4,403) Apr 1, 2012 New Jersey
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    Agree totally. I actually feel that way about 99% of beer and bourbon though :O
    The only barrel I've like a Barleywine in was a sherry barrel (JW Lees, I believe).
     
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  16. InVinoVeritas

    InVinoVeritas Initiate (0) Apr 16, 2012 Wisconsin

    Got an out of the box idea for you - perhaps consider brewing your own. All us home brewers started brewing for a reason. I started for a number of reasons, but the final straw came when I got sick of hunting for hard to get beers I wanted to try.

    Althought I wouldn't recommend brewing a barleywine (BW) out of the gate, you will with honing your skill be able to.

    I did a BW this year on my birthday, special brew for turning 40. What is great about the hobby, you get to make it your way and refine the recipe until it is beauty in a bottle! For my BW, I only mashed the base malt, all Maris Otter, which is absolutely an amazing barley, the best in my mind. Then I cold steeped the specialty grains, which just like coffee steeping coffee, limits tannins and makes for incredible smooth flavor. Packaging in about a month and tasting already, it is nothing short of mind-blowing.
     
  17. dlcarst

    dlcarst Zealot (733) Aug 21, 2015 Missouri
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    But Founders still makes FBS and other imperial stouts. They may not be exactly the same base beer for the BA stuff, but they still make them. These breweries make one barleywine and it's barrel aged.
     
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  18. dlcarst

    dlcarst Zealot (733) Aug 21, 2015 Missouri
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    Vermillion is amazing. My favorite barleywine. I'd sure love to get my hands on the BA version.

    I do enjoy Gnarleywine, but it's really more of a malty imperial IPA. I do like that it's cheap. I didn't find any last year, but did get some this year and we'll see how it ages.

    I do see Third Coast here and there but unfortunately in my area it's harder to find the less popular Bell's these days. Old Numbskull costs as much as a lot of BA barleywines. And no Three Floyds here, although I'd sure love to happen on some during one of my regular trips to Kentucky.

    I would agree, hesitantly. I absolutely love a great BA barleywine, but I'd give them up for more affordable non-BA barleywines to cellar.
     
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  19. dennis3951

    dennis3951 Initiate (0) Mar 6, 2008 New Jersey

    I heard that except it was Goose Island and the base stout for Bourbon County Brand Stout.
     
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  20. M-Fox24

    M-Fox24 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,941) Mar 17, 2013 New Jersey
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    + Red Wine BA Vengeful Heart



    Some others:
    • FFF Behemoth
    • FFF BA Behemoth
    • Jackie O's Brick Kiln
    • Jackie O's BA Brick Kiln
    • East End Gratitude
    • East End BA Gratitude
     
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