Re-Reviewing Beers After Time With Full Affect

Talk Discussion in 'BeerAdvocate Talk' started by KarlHungus, Aug 20, 2018.

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  1. KarlHungus

    KarlHungus Grand Pooh-Bah (3,315) Feb 19, 2005 Minnesota
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    Over the past couple years I've been going through the process of adding writen reviews to the beers that I merely rated years ago, and it's been amazingly insightful. So insightful that it's made me want to go back and fully re-review beers to which I initailly wrote full reviews. However, the only way to currently do this on BA is to adjust your previous review. In doing so you can keep the initial writen review by simply not deleting the text, and you can inform others about how you initially scored the beer by mentioning the numbers. The problem with this, as I see it, is two fold. First, your re-review gets buried within the old reviews as the default review search is set to show the most current reviews. Second, your initial numerical score of the beer (which is both historically accurate and meaningful) gets erased with your new score taking its place.

    I think it would be beneficial for BeerAdvoacate to allow users to fully re-review beers without altering/deleting their previous review, and have there new review count fully toward a beer's score/rating.

    I think five years from the initial review/rating would be a great point to start allowing re-reviews.

    What to other Beer Advocates think about this?
     
  2. Ceddd99

    Ceddd99 Zealot (609) May 14, 2018 Michigan
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    I think it's an interesting idea. I've noticed that rating beers is not as easy task. Sometimes I will drink a beer and dislike it, only to completely change my mind and start liking it a few weeks later. My tastes seem to change so much it's hard to accurately review a beer without drinking it over a period of time. Of course that means the review process is highly uneven since I obviously drink my favorite beers far more often than beers that don't initially impress me.
     
  3. donspublic

    donspublic Grand Pooh-Bah (3,552) Aug 4, 2014 Texas
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    If I didn't just put something like great beer, will have another, then I am probably not going to re-review. I have gone back and updated reviews where I was either 1) didn't leave a review, just a rating 2) hammered when I wrote it and it didn't make sense, not like my reviews do 3) wrote great beer, will have another 4) Picked up something that wasn't in the initial review 5) add notes on aging a beer, for example something I cellared improved etc. I actually just did this for DKML after drinking one with another year on it.
     
  4. BBThunderbolt

    BBThunderbolt Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,846) Sep 24, 2007 Kiribati
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    My view is that a review is a reflection of a given persons impression, of a given beer, at a given time and place .

    That's all.

    Now, that said, if one revisits a beer, that one had X years ago, and one may think that the beer is better or worse than the initial experience, doesn't change the first experience. Let it lie.

    We are able to edit reviews, so, click on your old review, and add an update. Just acknowledge, in your updated review, that things change. Our palates evolve over time, beers fluctuate, shrug.
     
  5. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    I think it is a great idea that won’t be adopted.

    We used to be able to review by serving dispense, e.g. on tap, bottle, on cask because that can make a difference in what the beer is like. That was taken away.

    We were told that happened because there were a noticeable number of users who appeared to be gaming the system and boosting their review count by simply entering the same review under different servings, e.g. on cask when there was no such beer.
     
  6. eppCOS

    eppCOS Grand Pooh-Bah (4,570) Jun 27, 2015 Colorado
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    Interesting idea, although I was JUST updating some scores/notes on my previous review of an IPA and just added an UPDATE note, with a little change to reflect my changing opinion and palate. Good either way...
     
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  7. FBarber

    FBarber Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,325) Mar 5, 2016 Illinois
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    I don't often re-review a beer, but I have done it on occasional when I felt that a change was warranted. In those circumstances I just noted the prior score (overall and for each category) and added a new review above that one.

    While I do think limiting re-reviews to every 5 years as you proposed would cut down on people gaming the system, I just don't think its worthwhile. First, I don't think reviewing a beer a second time should count as reviewing another beer. Its the same beer just at a different time. If the beer has changed materially (recipe change, new variation, etc) then it would warrant being added as a whole new beer on BA and you could review that as a separate beer. Finally, if you don't have it count as a whole new beer, then there is no need to limit how often people can provided updates on their reviews. If a beer is great one year, then completely horrible the next year, you have the freedom to update your review to reflect the most recent iteration of that beer.
     
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  8. BayAreaJoe

    BayAreaJoe Pooh-Bah (1,724) Nov 23, 2017 California
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    Re-reviews are good - in theory, it's an updated, more knowledgeable/experienced you taking another crack at it. I'm ok with losing the old score, but it would be nice to keep the updated posting date.
     
  9. Harrison8

    Harrison8 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,285) Dec 6, 2015 Missouri
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    I wonder if they could include the new review, but not up the beer total?

    I.e. Someone has reviewed/rated Wheat by Boulevard twice, but it only shows up once in your "beers" list with the latest review/rating date.

    I suppose that would be pretty similar to Untappd in that you have a 'unique' beers tracker (what BA would track), but can otherwise check in the same beer an unlimited number of times for a 'total beers consumed' tracker (which BA would not track).

    I'm no programmer, and I don't know if that's possible. Just weighing in with my thoughts.
     
  10. threeviews

    threeviews Initiate (0) Apr 18, 2011 Florida

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    Not only do I agree with you on all points, I have thought this same limitation on BA for quite some time. I would love to do some re-reviews and have them totally separate from my first.

    Even though I am not a fan of Untappd, I like the fact that you can 'Check In' any number of times on a particular beer and add new comments and a new rating...but let's not get me started on the character limit OR the fact that so few people ever post an entry with anything insightful about the beer they are drinking...I guess those are the 'tickers' of the craft community.
     
  11. Sabtos

    Sabtos Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,920) Dec 15, 2015 Ohio
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    I do this all the time.

    I believe in overwriting your original beer if it's different enough to warrant it, or otherwise leaving it as is if your experience matches your previous review close enough.

    As others have mentioned, if you feel either your palate has changed, or the beer has changed significantly, it's worth leaving a note of update, especially if it's a beer people are fond of cellaring, or if it's a different vintage.

    And I'm pretty happy with there not being new entries on BA for each vintage of a beer--unless there's an ingredient or process change, I believe there should be one entry for a given beer (obviously, I'm not a fan of Untappd's cluttered mess).
     
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  12. Sabtos

    Sabtos Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,920) Dec 15, 2015 Ohio
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    If I'm following you right, to achieve that, you can delete your review, then review it again...
     
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  13. NeroFiddled

    NeroFiddled Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,276) Jul 8, 2002 Pennsylvania
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    I do re-reviews by simply adding to what I've already written, usually right up front with the original review following in its entirety - there's no sense in going over a lot of basic info. again. Some of my reviews have been very long and I don't think I've ever run out of room to add in my new thoughts on the beer, or in some cases, how the beer has actually been changed over the years. As for score, I'll often change that as well and just note what the original was. I don't think we need to change anything, I like it as it is.
     
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  14. Sound_Explorer

    Sound_Explorer Grand Pooh-Bah (3,044) Dec 29, 2013 Washington
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    I've done this a few times myself, primarily on beers of an annual release (Black Butte, Abyss, Dark Star, etc). I typically keep the notes from before and even note the rating from that time, then simply add my info for the new tasting and rating for that. Only really touch on new aspects or changes that I noticed from the last to the current. It is interesting to see how the beer(s) change with aging or different blends from one release to the next.
     
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  15. cjgiant

    cjgiant Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,584) Jul 13, 2013 District of Columbia
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    I agree with @drtth that this won't be adopted even if we could iron out some details that I feel would be hard to come to an agreement on. I will also say that I disagree with @beertunes point of view - without saying he's wrong (am I am hoping/assuming he will say the same).

    I look at it this way: my rating of the beer should reflect how well made/enjoyed that beer is now. Put in another light, I think of it as if someone was asking me right now, "what do you think of this beer?" If I was drinking that beer, I wouldn't answer, "Well three years ago, I thought this..."

    Now this presumes a desire to revisit - which I do not think is anyone's responsibility, even if I encourage it [occasionally on a certain recurring thread]. I think it's a nice thing to do, though, in the right situations.

    Speaking of, my experience is similar to what other people have indicated, I rarely have much to change when I do a re-review (unless i am upgrading a rating/half-review), and I generally note what changed and whether I altered my rating as a part of the re-review.


    P.S. there are fairly easy ways to get your review date updated if you really do care about such things.
     
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  16. beergoot

    beergoot Grand High Pooh-Bah (9,310) Oct 11, 2010 Colorado
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    I re-review on a relatively often basis.

    With the way the site is currently set-up, I manually write my initial category scores (for the record) and keep the original write-up, and put in my updated review with new scores in the boxes above.

    A bit clunky, I suppose, but at least it's a record of my various impressions of the beer in question, warts and all..
     
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  17. rgordon

    rgordon Pooh-Bah (2,701) Apr 26, 2012 North Carolina
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    It:s interesting. I just talk about a beer on-line just like I talk to everyone else about beer. The amount of information that we have, here, is amazing.........I stress not about old reviews, but then again,I'm not a serial reviewer.
     
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  18. Squire

    Squire Grand Pooh-Bah (4,385) Jul 16, 2015 Mississippi
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    When I try a beer again that I haven't had in awhile I'll check my review to see if I want to update. Sometimes I do, sometimes I don't, but still like having the option.
     
  19. Bitterbill

    Bitterbill Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,036) Sep 14, 2002 Wyoming
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    I did it rarely in the past. Not at all now. Shrugs.
     
  20. unlikelyspiderperson

    unlikelyspiderperson Grand Pooh-Bah (3,966) Mar 12, 2013 California
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    It might be interesting if you could review the same beer as many times as you wanted and essentially show up in the reviews of that beer as your personal average score toward the beer with a link or something to the sequential text reviews.
     
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