Cream Ale - Base Malt Question

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  1. magoo0903

    magoo0903 Initiate (0) Nov 26, 2008 North Carolina

    Hi everybody

    A recipe has a simple grain bill - it mainly calls out for Pale Malt and Pilsen Malt plus some corn flaked. The quantity of pale malt and pilsen is equal.

    Why would the recipe have both? Is it only for the color?

    I only have pilsen now - will there be a huge difference if I double the pilsen quantity and not use any pale malt?

    Thanks

    Matt
     
  2. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    IMO, your flavor/quality would be better that way.
     
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  3. magoo0903

    magoo0903 Initiate (0) Nov 26, 2008 North Carolina

    Better if I only use Pilsen? What make you say that? Thx
     
  4. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    I like the flavor contribution that Pils malt will give to a beer like this versus what Pale malt will. Personal preference, really.
     
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  5. Prep8611

    Prep8611 Savant (1,208) Aug 22, 2014 New Jersey

    Ya id also argue that pils and flaked corn is gonna have a lighter color for a cream ale which I personally look for.
     
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  6. warchez

    warchez Zealot (545) Oct 19, 2004 Massachusetts

    I use the 50/50 concept in my cream ale. To be clear, I use pale malt that is 1.5L in color. Not a Pale Ale malt that can range from 3-4L. This type of pale malt contributes little in the way of color (and flavor for that matter). I like it because it dilutes out the obvious Pils malt flavor that 100% Pils will give. I don't want the malt base to taste like my 100% Pils malt Pilsner tastes like.
    Its a personal preference. I recommend giving it a try either way and then if you like it try the other way and compare.
     
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  7. utahbeerdude

    utahbeerdude Maven (1,374) May 2, 2006 Utah

    Whatever difference there might be, it will be subtle. If you have just pils malt, then go for it. Cheers!
     
  8. NeroFiddled

    NeroFiddled Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,276) Jul 8, 2002 Pennsylvania
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    I agree with everything that's been said. I prefer Pils but understand using a second malt to "thin" it - I'd suggest something like Briess' 2-Row brewers malt. And to be honest, based on what's on the market today, cream ale doesn't really display Pilsner malt so you'd be more on track. However, no one even knows where cream ale came from so you can just do what you want so I say go ahead and use 100% Pils.
     
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  9. Prep8611

    Prep8611 Savant (1,208) Aug 22, 2014 New Jersey

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  10. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    6 Row would probably be more traditional than either.
     
  11. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    More traditional? Sure. The best flavor-wise? Not for me.
     
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  12. Prep8611

    Prep8611 Savant (1,208) Aug 22, 2014 New Jersey

    Personally, fuck 6 row.
     
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  13. magoo0903

    magoo0903 Initiate (0) Nov 26, 2008 North Carolina

    Thanks guys - as usual I guess; brew and improve!
     
  14. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    If you can find it :grin:
     
  15. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Whaaa? I think I see 6-row on every online HBS site I buy from.
     
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  16. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    Go for it!
     
  17. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,635) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    6-row? I don't mind it in a CAP. conditioned with a little water so the husks stay in tact, and mashed at 5.2-5.3 pH.

    I toured SN Mills River early in the Summer. The guide said they were using 6-row from aa local farm. The farmer had old heritage varieties of 6-row, and they were said to taste very nice. That was not entirely a surprise.
     
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  18. skivtjerry

    skivtjerry Pooh-Bah (1,865) Mar 10, 2006 Vermont
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    Well, some mice got into my malt storage last week. They ignored the generic American 2 row but ruined a few pounds of German pils malt, even though the pils was in a plastic sack with a liner whereas the 2 row was in thin paper sacks. Maybe the pils tastes better...
     
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  19. Bryan12345

    Bryan12345 Initiate (0) Mar 17, 2016 Texas

    50/50 sounds good to me. A little complexity in an otherwise straightforward beer. FWIW :slight_smile:
     
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  20. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    In my 2 row vs 6 row cream ale experiment I thought I noticed a slightly darker color and husky note to 6 row, but I couldn’t consistently pick it out.

    The reason to use pils would be because you want its flavor. But a hypothesis from my comparison experiment is that as you add higher percentages of adjunct, the distinctive qualities of the base malt blur (a no brainer right). For example, I may have just surpassed the threshold with 23% corn so that I really could not distinguish 6 row from 2 row. By extension ill hypothesize that at some level of adjunct i wouldn’t be able to detect the finer characteristics of pils malt.
     
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