Winter Warmers -- Thoughts and Ideas?

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  1. utahbeerdude

    utahbeerdude Maven (1,374) May 2, 2006 Utah

    So I'm planning on a winter warmer for my next batch. I'm a big fan of Deschutes Jubelale, but to be honest, I've not had that many examples of the style.

    What do you think are the keys to this style? Do you have favorite examples? I'm basically looking for some discussion that will help me (and perhaps others) think about the style.

    Cheers!
     
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  2. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    I think your first decision will have to be whether you want a rich, malty, dark beer (like Jubelale if I'm recalling that beer correctly) or a beer with spices added such as cinnamon, clove, etc. and then proceed from there.

    There was a thread a couple months ago on the topic that should be helpful, and you'll find it here in a list from a search that I did looking for 'holiday' in the thread title. https://www.beeradvocate.com/community/search/68125425/?q=holiday&o=date&c[title_only]=1&c[node]=8

    And here is another search link using 'winter' in the thread title: https://www.beeradvocate.com/community/search/68125421/?q=Winter&o=date&c[title_only]=1&c[node]=8

    Happy reading. :slight_smile:
     
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  3. utahbeerdude

    utahbeerdude Maven (1,374) May 2, 2006 Utah

    Thanks! I think I want rich, malty, and dark. I'll read through the info you've dug up. Cheers!
     
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  4. Granitebeard

    Granitebeard Zealot (549) Aug 24, 2016 Maine

    I am a personal fan of the rich malty versions. I do like a small amount of spices added though. Goose Island makes (or made i did not see it last year) a winter warmer that I loved.
     
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  5. billandsuz

    billandsuz Pooh-Bah (2,097) Sep 1, 2004 New York
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    Of the winter seasonals I have had and enjoyed, they tend to be a bit dry. Personally I find many recent examples are too heavy on the spruce and spice and tend to be very difficult to get through. These big and bold beers have so much going on that the addition of crystal, lactose or anything in the brewing process that makes the finish sweet is a distraction and almost unbearable. A winter should be enjoyable at a very specific time and place, special and noteworthy. Drinking a warmer is an event, and we have high expectations.

    A winter welcome that is subtle, with not too much caramel or sweet malt backbone, that is something I should try to brew. A little spice goes a long way.

    That's just my 2 cents anyway. Something to consider.
    Cheers.
     
  6. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    Winter Warmer is the allegedly the heir to Burton Ale. Here is a list of Burton Ale recipes from ‘s Barclay-Perkins blog, if you felt like getting historical.
    Recipe Style date posted
    1942 Barclay Perkins KK Burton 5/6/2009
    1936 Barclay Perkins KKKK Burton 2/7/2009
    1943 Whitbread XXXX Burton 9/6/2009
    1936 Barclay Perkins KKKK Burton 1/7/2009
    1951 Lees "C" Ale Burton 25/07/2010
    1942 Barclay Perkins KK Burton 2/3/2011
    1923 Courage KKK Burton 7/11/2013
    1933 Barclay Perkins KKKK Burton 22/12/2010
    1877 Whitbread KKK Burton 9/7/2009
    1928 Barclay Perkins KK Burton 18/03/2010
    1934 Kidd XXX Burton 13/04/2011
    1935 Fullers OBE Burton 9/6/2010
     
  7. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    Somehow " @patto1ro " got omitted from my post...
     
  8. MrOH

    MrOH Grand Pooh-Bah (3,995) Jul 5, 2010 Virginia
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    I like a mildly spiced old ale, personally.
     
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  9. mjryan

    mjryan Pooh-Bah (1,571) Dec 22, 2007 Minnesota
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    I like a big brown/almost black ale as a winter warmer. OG in the 1.065 range. Heaps of Marris Otter, some dark crystal for toffe, and plum notes. A bit of chocolate malt, and some of that dedittered German carafa to get to the darker end of the brown spectrum. Bitter to around 50 ibu. I also like a nice hop finish. First Gold are great English hops, with a sort of marmalade aroma, and flavor. I also like Simcoe for this style. Its citrus, and pine character work well, and seem fitting for the season.
     
  10. utahbeerdude

    utahbeerdude Maven (1,374) May 2, 2006 Utah

    Thanks for all the responses. I think I'll do something like this recipe Avery has posted for their Old Jubilation Ale, which looks like it should be pretty tasty.

    OG
    1.074

    FG
    1.014

    GRIST
    88.3% 2-Row, 4.7% Special Roast, 4.7% Victory, 1.6% Chocolate Malt, 0.7% Black Malt

    HOPS
    0.34 oz Bullion (7.6% AA) at 60 min; 0.52 oz Bullion (7.6% AA) at 30 min; 1.01 oz Bullion (7.6% AA) at 0 min

    YEAST
    London Ale at 20 C

    Cheers!
     
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  11. MrOH

    MrOH Grand Pooh-Bah (3,995) Jul 5, 2010 Virginia
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    Sounds like an Old Ale to me. I dig it.

    Will you be able to source Bullion? Can't say I've ever seen it available, but then again, I have never looked for it.
     
  12. utahbeerdude

    utahbeerdude Maven (1,374) May 2, 2006 Utah

    It does look like Bullion is available from some vendors, but as I have a boat-load of a number of other hops, I'll just do some sort of substitution. I'll probably give it a decent bittering charge -- this might be a good beer to use up some Belma I bought a while back. As for flavor/aroma, I'll have to think about exactly what I want. Probably go with some English or English-like hop, maybe First Gold or Willamette.

    I'm going to use 34/70 lager yeast, as I want the malt to shine.

    (So in the end it may not be at all like the Avery beer.)

    Cheers!
     
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  13. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    Put me in this category, as well, save the spices. That said, I could be convinced that a Scottish Ale/Wee Heavy is the route to take. Truthfully, it wouldn't take TOO much convincing.
     
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  14. premierpro

    premierpro Savant (1,060) Mar 21, 2009 Michigan

    For me an English Barley Wine is the perfect Winter Warmer! Spices in beer taste weird to me. Give me the big malty flavors with enough alcohol to make it a sipper and you can age them for years! Take care!
     
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