Cease and desist order in FL

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  1. Beerisagoodthing

    Beerisagoodthing Initiate (0) Nov 14, 2018 Florida

    I got a cease and desist order in the mail from Fedex. In Florida if im reading right its a 3rd degree felony to keep shipping alcohol after the cease and desist. Can I just move to UPS and keep shipping or is that kinda thing cross referenced between the mail carriers. I'm not so interested in becoming a felon for beer trading
     
  2. NeroFiddled

    NeroFiddled Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,276) Jul 8, 2002 Pennsylvania
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    First post on here regarding trading? Seems fishy to me.
     
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  3. Vitacca

    Vitacca Pooh-Bah (2,250) Sep 15, 2010 Montana
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    How is it a felony if it isn't illegal to ship alcohol via FedEx?
     
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  4. Beerisagoodthing

    Beerisagoodthing Initiate (0) Nov 14, 2018 Florida

    throw away account, im embarrassed at even asking this question.
    It is if your not shipping it to a place with the right licenses and such. Or am I misinformed?
     
  5. Rustytacos

    Rustytacos Initiate (0) Mar 19, 2018 California
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    How did you receive the letter? Signature confirmation, registered mail, USPS...FedEx?
     
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  6. NeroFiddled

    NeroFiddled Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,276) Jul 8, 2002 Pennsylvania
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    Very good point. It is illegal to ship alcohol via the United States Postal Service but it is not illegal to ship alcohol via other carriers. That does not mean you might not be breaking state laws in doing so. That is on you, not them, unless you declared it as alcohol before they shipped it.
     
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  7. NeroFiddled

    NeroFiddled Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,276) Jul 8, 2002 Pennsylvania
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    My main question would be, how the hell would you get a cease and desist order for shipping alcohol three times? That seems unbelievable.
     
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  8. Vitacca

    Vitacca Pooh-Bah (2,250) Sep 15, 2010 Montana
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  9. John_M

    John_M Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,849) Oct 25, 2003 Washington
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    What seems odd to me, is that this would come from FEDEX as opposed to the local police or feds. Last time I checked, FEDEX isn't in the law enforcement business.

    That being said, who cares whether it's a crime or not to continue to ship beer with FEDEX. They apparently are aware you're shipping beer with them, they don't want you to do it, and it sounds like something bad might happen if you continue to do it.

    I would just use UPS from now on and move on. I doubt FEDEX shares any information whatsoever with UPS.
     
  10. Beerisagoodthing

    Beerisagoodthing Initiate (0) Nov 14, 2018 Florida

    I had a 12 shipper blow up, and no this isn't my first or third or 20th shipment. I trade regularly

    Yea
     
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  11. KevSal

    KevSal Pooh-Bah (2,940) Oct 17, 2010 California
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    maybe it’s because you’re shipping exploding boxes that’s the problem
     
  12. SammyJaxxxx

    SammyJaxxxx Initiate (0) Feb 23, 2012 New Jersey

    Failure to pay/collect taxes on the alcohol is a crime. But that wouldn't come from FedEx. It would come from your states tax division.
     
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  13. NeroFiddled

    NeroFiddled Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,276) Jul 8, 2002 Pennsylvania
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    That doesn't make sense, the taxes were paid when the beer was purchased. These are trades, not sales. Selling the beer would be totally illegal without proper licensing.
     
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  14. cmukid87

    cmukid87 Initiate (0) Jan 30, 2017 Michigan
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    Exactly this. It is illegal to sell beer w/o proper licensing. Trading beer is completely legal. If documentation came from FedEx, I would imagine your name, address, etc. would be flagged as a no ship.
     
  15. SammyJaxxxx

    SammyJaxxxx Initiate (0) Feb 23, 2012 New Jersey

    This is from Pennsylvania, I am sure other state have similar laws. I do not know if Florida (where the OP lives) has such a law

    Section 9011 of the Malt Beverage Tax Code makes it unlawful for any person to transport into the Commonwealth any taxable malt or brewed beverages on which tax is not paid. 72 P.S. § 9011. Section 9.91(a) of the PLCB’s Regulations provides that a person cannot import malt or brewed beverages into the Commonwealth for delivery or use therein, unless the person holds a valid importing distributor license issued by the PLCB, or unless a person is exempted by other provisions of that section. 40 Pa. Code § 9.91(a).

    This has nothing to do with the sale. It covers bringing beer into the state without paying the tax.
     
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  16. MKE_Hopspur

    MKE_Hopspur Devotee (398) Mar 15, 2017 Wisconsin
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    So if I go on a road trip, use my car to drive from WI to PA, and bring beer to PA that I bought in WI (and paid WI tax on) I am now breaking the law?
     
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  17. cmukid87

    cmukid87 Initiate (0) Jan 30, 2017 Michigan
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    I wonder if there is a gray area. If I ship into PA, I'm not physically transporting it into the state. Is it my responsibility, probably...
     
  18. SammyJaxxxx

    SammyJaxxxx Initiate (0) Feb 23, 2012 New Jersey

    Yes, And there have been reports on here of PA state police (or tax agents) watching cars come across the border from NJ and pulling them over once they cross the border.
     
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  19. cmukid87

    cmukid87 Initiate (0) Jan 30, 2017 Michigan
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    Then you tell them to have a good day and drive away carefully. I don't care much to get into a legal discussion here but they have absolutely no right to pull you over, detain, search, etc without reasonable suspicion. Crossing state lines is absolutely not grounds for reasonable suspicion of any wrong doing.
     
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  20. RavageCat

    RavageCat Devotee (346) Jun 24, 2014 New Jersey
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    I'm not doubting you but how do they know what cars to pull over? They can't pull over everyone and would need some sort of cause to anyway. Are they following cars from breweries or liquor stores? Wondering if there are places I should avoid...
     
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