Bad Trader List - I need everyone's input. thanks

Discussion in 'Bad Traders' started by oldp0rt, Nov 9, 2012.

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Should bad traders be given a second chance?

  1. Everyone deserves a second chance.

    17 vote(s)
    10.8%
  2. No! They screwed BA's over, they might do it again.

    140 vote(s)
    89.2%
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  1. oldp0rt

    oldp0rt Initiate (0) Feb 24, 2011 Canada (QC)

    As many of you may now know, I took over the bad traders list a little while back. I hadn't come across any problems until now and wanted to get everyone's opinion in on this before I change anything.

    I was contacted by a BA who had reported another BA a year and a half ago. This fellow was added to the list because he hadn't shipped out his bif box even after being given 3 months to do so. The reporting BA tells me today that the bad trader finally came through and that I can take him off the list.

    Personally I believe that if you're on this list, you deserve to be there. I always do my homework and never add anyone that shouldn't be there. On the other hand, people grow up and change.


    So here goes,
    Should bad traders be given a second chance?











    I was thinking that If I do allow some to come off, that it wouldn't be a quick process but more of a long term thing. Maybe keeping them on the list but with a highlighted sidenote saying he made up and that people should make him ship first. After a year (time or trades done), then he would come off?
     
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  2. eyeenjoybeer

    eyeenjoybeer Initiate (0) Feb 18, 2011 Seychelles

    I agree with idea of putting a note on the list allowing others to make their own decisions about trading with the person.
     
  3. JM03

    JM03 Initiate (0) Nov 12, 2010 Ohio

    Not to create more work, but it would be nice if there were 2 "lists".
    A bad trader list - Do not trade with these people
    A risky trader list - People who have screwed up, but made right. Trade at your own risk.

    I know that is more work for you, but it might cover everything better
     
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  4. buffs9

    buffs9 Initiate (0) Apr 28, 2008 Colorado

    I don't think they should ever get off the list, but maybe something indicating that they're willing to trade again and will ship first. I'll trade w/ anyone if they're willing to ship first and we can agree on a trade that makes us both happy.
     
  5. 3rdto1st

    3rdto1st Initiate (0) Dec 1, 2011 California

    Same, they shouldn't come off quickly or maybe even at all. I like highlighting (maybe in green to help the subconscious) the names and adding a note so that people looking can see they made good. But once on there, I don't think the action that got them there should be forgotten.
     
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  6. Bad_Trader

    Bad_Trader Initiate (0) Nov 8, 2012 Namibia

    He made good 18 months later?

    I'd say he's in good standing now.
     
  7. FTowne

    FTowne Initiate (0) Jan 27, 2012 Missouri

    I like the 1 year "probation" setup. If that make good, and continue to take care of their trades for a year they should be cleared.
     
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  8. Etan

    Etan Initiate (0) Jul 11, 2011 Wisconsin

    I like the idea of a note saying that they eventually completed the trade. That way the issue is open to the individual trader and not one person.
     
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  9. FalconA

    FalconA Initiate (0) Aug 10, 2011 Massachusetts

    Eh, I think they should stay on the list. If someone turns over a new leaf and wants to rebuild trust, they can create a new account and start fresh so that their first bunch of trades will be approached with caution.

    I wouldn't want someone who appears to have a bunch of good trade references and history (before they flaked) not be flagged to someone who doesn't commit to memory all of the bad trader happenings.
     
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  10. Photekut

    Photekut Initiate (0) Mar 31, 2006 Tennessee

    Everyone should know that if it happened once it can happen again.

    Even if a trader is not intentionally setting out to screw someone over, when life happens your true colors come out.

    People are put on the list for good reasons, I do not think eventually making good takes care of that.

    No one should have to call you out to get a box.
     
  11. AJDePaul

    AJDePaul Initiate (0) Jun 29, 2012 Illinois

    Although fairly new on here, I'm putting my .02 in. I think that there really isn't a black and white to this and each case would be reviewed individually. I doubt there will be an overwhelming amount of people trying to clear their name (so not too much work on your end) but even if one person decided that they wanted back into the community and would make right what they did wrong however long ago, it would help that person they screwed over originally... and yes a note or something on the list to say they came clean.
     
  12. Domeshot14

    Domeshot14 Initiate (0) Jul 10, 2011 California

    I say once a bad trader always a bad trader. These people had been given ample opportunity to clear their name prior to being added and didn't do it. Can you imagine the forum explosion when a former bad trader given a second chance gets a new bad trader thread?
     
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  13. Brew33

    Brew33 Initiate (0) Oct 24, 2007 Ohio

    That person should stay on the list.

    If that person wants to continue trading, let them deal with the headache of being on that list or having to ship first every time.
     
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  14. Domeshot14

    Domeshot14 Initiate (0) Jul 10, 2011 California

    Of course you would "Bad_Trader"
     
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  15. AJDePaul

    AJDePaul Initiate (0) Jun 29, 2012 Illinois

    It is ultimately up to the person trading with the person in question whether to risk it or not. I doubt many BA's will, but if the original bad trader made up for their mistake(s) with someone it is a win win and the BA community can choose to trade or not trade with them
     
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  16. AlexHouston

    AlexHouston Crusader (438) May 19, 2011 Illinois
    Trader

    The two list method would probably be better, or some kind of note attached to the list. I mention this mainly because it's still murky on what constitutes a "bad trader", meaning is a habitually late trader bad? Or someone who tries to make "bad" offers, deemed by the BA community, a bad trader? I don't know. I think people should be given a shot at redemption, though it is helpful to tip off future traders with a sticky warning them of potential pitfalls ahead, especially considering how fast this site is growing and changing.
     
  17. kmello69

    kmello69 Initiate (0) Nov 27, 2011 Texas

    Staying on the bad trader list forever send the message that such activity will not be tolerated.

    I do like the idea of the "risky trader" list though. Seems there are lots of stories of people who are bad at communication, constantly delay their shipments, flake out on trades, etc.

    Those people might not end up on the bad trader list, because they eventually come through, but having a sort of "buyer beware" list would be useful for those wanting to avoid such headaches.
     
  18. Hindsight

    Hindsight Initiate (0) Oct 8, 2011 Ohio

    Sure, I would trade with someone on the list...under my terms. They would need to send first, package would need to be received before I would send mine, fully disclosing this to them in advance. If they aren't cool with it and understand where I am coming from...they are probably just going to screw me anyway.
     
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  19. oldp0rt

    oldp0rt Initiate (0) Feb 24, 2011 Canada (QC)

    A risky traders list could be a good idea. But everyone has different views of what constitutes a bad trader, let alone a risky one. I think this list would be a big headache not only for me.
     
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  20. claaark13

    claaark13 Maven (1,412) Nov 29, 2007 Indiana
    Trader

    Risky trader - Difficult territory. Many risky traders eventually turn into bad traders, but calling someone out too early can cause problems. Once trader feedback is an option, this will be a dead topic. Until then, just keep your own list of people who may be flakes and warn your trading partners if you think someone is shady.

    Bad trader list - Once you're on, you're on for a reason. It isn't like you weren't given a chance to plead your case, as there will be a thread dedicated to you before you're ever added. If you made one poor mistake and still find people to trade with you and ultimately redeem yourself, power to you. It's kinda like a criminal record in that sense.
     
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