Trade Value Thread (TVT) Quarter 4 2018

What would it take to get to HM I know I got a bunch of things to trade as well.

 

Well that depends on what you have and what exact holy mountain you want? Some of their sours are easier to trade for with regional beers but once you get to MS and especially the variants, it's going to take some well known, limited offerings IMO.

 

For reference I traded a Central Waters Black Gold 2018 for MS Coffee/Cardamom, but I think MS has become more and more difficult to trade for. I think my trade partner was a little generous, but made sure I compensated with nice extras. I doubt if I threw that trade up today it would close again without a plus on my end (and CC isn't even one of the more sought after variants from my experience).

 

I would say this totally depends on "right set of eyes". Having had both beers, I would keep the B:B:T: b2 because I didn't love Handjee 2018. But I feel like you might not need a plus with this being BA stout vs. BA stout with vanilla.

 

I've stepped away from BA and trading (for the most part) over the past couple weeks, so I admit to not being on top of trades 100% these days. That said, it was only around a month ago that more than 1 person was offering Handjee for BBT, was getting complete silence as I recall, and had to start adding. Relatively substantially (more than FO b4.).

There's enough Handjee out there after the most recent DLD that it's no where near as hard to pull now.

 

Objectively speaking, I would be surprised if someone traded their BBT b2 for Handjee '18 1:1 or even with a FOb4 plus. Handjee '17, maybe 1:1 but it appears that even Handjee '17 has 'lowered' in trade value due to Handjee 18 quantity released. I love both beers but just speaking based on experience and observations, it's difficult for me to see anyone taking up that trade offer.

 

Are you saying 3 bottles each of 2018 KBBS and BA Abraxas for a box? Like 3 KBBS and 3 BA Abraxas for one of the gift sets? If so, I don't see that remotely happening. If you're saying 3 bottles of Double Stack for a 2018 KBBS, that maybe could considering where it's pre selling.

 

Difficult to assess the trade value of something not yet released or having any completed trades yet, but personally I'd consider trading a BAA for the whole box, and that'd still be stretching it for me. Great Notion really seems to have successfully upped production on their more in demand beers, and I think only the hardest of FOMOs out there will try significantly harder for b1 of BA Double Stack than the estimate I put here.

 

Personally, I think you're high. On the trade and drugs.

KBBS is being released at $100 per 12 oz. bottle with only 800-1000 being sold. This is being sold two 500 ml bottles to 500 people for a total of 1,000 for only $125 with all the add ons that's you mentioned.

And talking about secondary (whew, almost threw up in my mouth typing that) Everybody seems to know KBBS is up there around $1,000 or more. Not $600-$700.

I can't see the future though and again, these are my personal thoughts. So don't take it, personal.

 

Completely agree. It's definitely over the top. But what do you do when people pay it. You take it I guess. Hah

 

Yes 3 vr units does sound like where it will start. Could go up or down. As there's mention of single bottles sales to come

 

I suppose I'm just a jerk, but I hope that - since I expect most people will be buying the gift sets just to resell or trade - that it tastes like garbage. Also, it's an obvious cash grab, so a little shade being thrown toward GN as well.

/duck

 

The Great Notion traders have become massive shitlords over this beer. The GN trading facebook page has been flooded with ISOs ranging from one bottle to the entire box and every FT is laughed at saying they'll need to add no matter how good of offer it is. I want to try the beer but no way in hell I'm putting any offer out now while it's at peak hype. It should die down after the release and they are planning on doing a normal bottle release after this initial one so anyone ISO is best served to just be patient rather than overpay now. And yes I am kind of with you that the beer ends up being a disappointment just to lower their egos a bit.

 

Flipper's in every state are always hoping for that big beer to Max out those profits!

 

I...hate to seem so cynical, but it's just frustrating to see everyone trying to make a buck.

I like good beer, you like good beer. We all like good beer. I just wish people didn't take it to extremes. I'm fine with beer having value based on rarity and price. I'm even OK with KBBS being one of the most difficult beers to trade for. What frustrates me is when you see people all about the profitz, where without that aspect, they would not care almost at all about the beer. Artificial scarcity and shitlording is what drives up the value way more than just "demand."