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Even if it’s a formality, even if you’ve traded with the person before, no matter what, set up the request through the BA trade system.

 

I slept on this because its a tough situation, but I have some thoughts I wanted to just share here. Do with them what you will.

The first problem is that this was not put through the BA feedback system - but since it was negotiated on this site and agreed to here, I think using the forums to address this is still appropriate.

Second, it is pretty clear to me that as the agreed upon trade was not the same as the proposed trade in the forum post, some level of negotiations went on between the two people. This would have required discussion of which beers to send - and presumably prop was the agreed upon beer.
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It should also be noted that prior to @adidaswp replying to the above post, @WIBeerSnob posted this trade request the day before

To me, making a mistake in the trade forum post once is completely understandable. Making a second time, less so ... Negotiating a trade involving a specific beer then later "realizing" that you negotiated a trade for the wrong beer is pretty tough to swallow as a mistake. Personally, I think @WIBeerSnob should honor the trade as agreed upon if @adidaswp wants to go through with it. Otherwise backing out of the trade after its been agreed to warrants at the very least neutral feedback but probably bad feedback. BUT, we come back to the first point, neither of you put this through the BA feedback system, so there is no feedback to be left ...

Taking the most charitable position and assuming that @WIBeerSnob is in fact being completely honest and it was just a mistake, then moving forward - man, really be careful and read through what you are agreeing to trade before agreeing to a trade. Situations like this can be avoided so easily.

Wether the thread stays or not is up to the mods (@dmbforever @John_M). Since there is no feedback in this one, I think it should stay.

 

My feeling is that there's some useful information in this thread, and so it would be my preference that this thread stay up.

I don't have a lot to add to this otherwise. I'm generally in agreement with the post above from @FBarber. It occurred to me that perhaps the reason why @WIBeerSnob couldn't provide the Prop 18 in the subsequent trade offer (to the OP) was because it was already committed under the terms of the previous (day before) trade offer. To be honest, for those who do a lot of trading, I'm surprised this sort of mistake doesn't happen more often (I have a hard enough time keeping track of what I have available for trade goods, and I hardly ever trade). So I guess I could see how this could happen, and like most everyone else on this thread I think, I'm leaning towards the assumption that this is/was an honest mistake.

Having read over a LOT of BT threads, one thing that tends to stand out is @WIBeerSnob's immediate admission that he made a mistake, and his willingness to own up to that mistake. I realize that doesn't do the OP a whole lot of good, but it's the sort of reaction I typically don't see if the BT had an ulterior motive.

That being said, I echo @FBarber's comment about being careful. This would not be the first time we've seen someone change their mind about a trade offer when it suddenly occurred to them that they could get a better offer elsewhere. I don't think that's what went on here, but as others have mentioned, it's the sort of mistake that might make one a tad bit suspicious.

 

@adidaswp can you offer some clarity here?

 

No need. I took a couple of moments to check @WIBeerSnob's history and got the answer. So I'm modifying my post above.

 

@WIBeerSnob... I'm not sure you're helping your case with a post like this. First off, I'm not sure I understand why you feel you're "kind of screwed" as a result of this thread. If I were a prospective trading partner looking to make a trade with you, the only thing I can see myself doing before closing a trade is to verify your offer. Just to be on the safe side, I might want to make sure you hadn't made another mistake. Given your own admission in this thread, I feel as if you have that coming. And even then, from past experience this is really nothing more than a tempest in a teapot. In a month most everyone will have largely forgotten this thread, and the only thing future prospective traders are going to care about is your trading history and positive feedback. Which I gather is blemish less.

As I mentioned above, we've all seen other instances where an agreed upon trade offer was pulled when the member realized he could get a better deal elsewhere. I don't think that's what happened here, but when you make the same mistake twice, I can fully understand why the OP was suspicious and why (as he put it) it left a bad taste in his mouth. In the past, this absolutely has lead to some BT threads, so I'm not sure I understand why you feel it was so inappropriate for him to post his original question.

"Well, this is embarrassing. I realized I put the wrong beer in the FT. I’m incredibly sorry. I put a bunch of trade requests out there and I got some mixed up."

Just my two cents, but I think most of us would agree that this is the sort of mistake you need to avoid making in the future (if you don't want to see any similar threads like this in the future).