Bad trader: @Luscious_Malfoy

Discussion in 'Bad Traders' started by Dark_Scarecrow, Jan 6, 2019.

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  1. Dark_Scarecrow

    Dark_Scarecrow Pundit (930) Jul 19, 2018 Virginia
    Trader

    I'm looking for some advice on how to handle a situation. I traded with a BA member and it evolved into a semi-regular thing. Sent a box in July, received a box. Again in August and once more in September. We discussed another box in October and I shipped it. I went on a small trip and picked up some new beers. I contacted my 'trade partner' and told him I had new stuff to send his way. He told me he was rounding out a box to send me. I shipped a second box in October. He messaged me that he received it and wrote "epic box, thanks so much".

    I have not had a reply or shipment since. This member is on the site several times a day. He has been rating the beers that I sent him, even as recently as last Thursday (a barrel aged bottle). He has over 100 trades and a 100% rating. Very active member approaching 1000 posts.

    I sent PMs in November, December, and January. Also sent a PM under a new title. Sent texts. Nothing.

    Should I try to reach out with other members he has traded with recently or traded with multiple times?? Could a moderator reach out to him?? I welcome any suggestions or recommendations. Thank you.
     
  2. jrnyc

    jrnyc Grand Pooh-Bah (3,012) Mar 21, 2010 New York
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    Very strange, @mention them here for their side of story, this will get their attention very quickly.
     
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  3. Beer_Economicus

    Beer_Economicus Pooh-Bah (2,698) Apr 8, 2017 Ohio
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    I understand why people are so reticent to mention names publicly. I normally agree with @jrnyc . That said, I will offer a piece of advice that deviates somewhat here:

    If you just want your boxes, and you don't intend to continue this relationship, send them one last message indicating you are trying to figure out what's going on, and if they continue to disregard your contact that you will have to ask publically about him, because you're so perplexed. And if you care not at all, and just want a little bit of shaming, also mention it.

    However, IF you want to try to keep the relationship, I implore you to send him one more private message, linking this post, and indicating that you really don't understand what is going on, and you just want to "fix" the situation with him, and continue the relationship. If he cares, he'll see that you are not in any way dragging him through the mud, or even acting that dissatisfied. After all, it seems like you want to continue the relationship. If he cares not, he'll ignore it. At which point you can pretty much just tag him in this post.

    Sorry about the situation.
     
  4. alexsergio

    alexsergio Grand Pooh-Bah (3,115) Mar 7, 2011 New York
    Society Pooh-Bah Trader

    I don’t have any sage advice, but as one of your loyal trading partners, I just wanted to let you know I’m sorry you have to deal with this.
     
  5. Dark_Scarecrow

    Dark_Scarecrow Pundit (930) Jul 19, 2018 Virginia
    Trader

    Thank you partner!! Things were going along great and then POOF!! Sent a box of 14 and then a box of 17. Not sure what changed or happened but he is still on the BA site daily and checking in beers.....including mine. Very disappointing to not even get a response from him.
     
  6. Dark_Scarecrow

    Dark_Scarecrow Pundit (930) Jul 19, 2018 Virginia
    Trader

    Thanks to everyone for their suggestions and comments. I'm giving it 24 hours for a response. I will be back with an update.
     
  7. Dark_Scarecrow

    Dark_Scarecrow Pundit (930) Jul 19, 2018 Virginia
    Trader

    Quick update.... it seems that he has not logged into BA since Saturday night (unusual for him but not too crazy yet). I will check to see if he responds when he does log in again.
     
  8. jrnyc

    jrnyc Grand Pooh-Bah (3,012) Mar 21, 2010 New York
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    What’s the verdict on this one?
     
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  9. FBarber

    FBarber Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,325) Mar 5, 2016 Illinois
    Mod Team BA4LYFE Society Pooh-Bah Trader

    @Dark_Scarecrow any word yet? Has this member logged in since Saturday night? have they viewed your messages?
     
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  10. Dark_Scarecrow

    Dark_Scarecrow Pundit (930) Jul 19, 2018 Virginia
    Trader

    Hello. Looks like he logged in an hour ago. ....first time since Saturday night. I checked and he has not opened any of the messages. Not cool
     
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  11. jrnyc

    jrnyc Grand Pooh-Bah (3,012) Mar 21, 2010 New York
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    Name the trader, you have given them ample opportunity.
     
  12. Dark_Scarecrow

    Dark_Scarecrow Pundit (930) Jul 19, 2018 Virginia
    Trader

    I was hoping it would not come to this and it would get resolved. I believe I have done what I could to get some answers but cannot get a reply either through BA messages or text.

    The member in question is @Luscious_Malfoy

    For 3-4 months I was extremely pleased while trading with him. He was very helpful and also generous with the trades.....would have recommended him to anyone. Sadly, he has not responded or sent anything after the last two boxes that I sent him. To compound the issue, he was on the BA site with regularity after I sent the boxes and appears to have completed other trades, rated beers that I sent, etc. - still no replies to my messages. I am more disappointed than anything as I really enjoy trading with him.

    I sincerely hope that there is a logical (or at least reasonable) explanation for these actions. With well over 100 trades I am sure he has many satisfied trading partners. Now he at least has a platform to hopefully explain what happened. I would love to come to an amicable resolution.

    Thank you all for your input.
     
  13. maximum12

    maximum12 Grand Pooh-Bah (4,686) Jan 21, 2008 Minnesota
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    @Luscious_Malfoy is on again (or still) right now.

    I'd suggest you come on in & discuss this issue. Just having one side of the story isn't reflecting well on you.
     
  14. eppie82

    eppie82 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,377) Apr 19, 2015 Illinois
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    This is most unfortunate. He is a pretty active member that posts with a good bit of regularity in the Great Lakes regional forum, and predominantly related to St.Louis releases. I hope there is a reasonable explanation for this situation otherwise his reputation will take a major hit.
     
  15. riotontheroad

    riotontheroad Savant (1,211) Apr 7, 2010 California
    Trader

    @Dark_Scarecrow call him at work.
    low blow, but at least you will get him on the phone.
     
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  16. jrnyc

    jrnyc Grand Pooh-Bah (3,012) Mar 21, 2010 New York
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    When one side of story is only told, human nature is always to lean towards the story in front of you, especially when it is so well presented. That being said hard to think of any response bad trader in question could come up which shows them in a good light.

    Were there any BA trade requests opened?
     
  17. Bum4ever

    Bum4ever Pooh-Bah (1,838) Jan 18, 2017 California
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    @Dark_Scarecrow was this new trade an official trade here on BA?

    I am a little confused on the original details? I see three completed trades between you and @Luscious_Malfoy. From your original post it sounds like you sent boxes 4 and 5? and got nothing in return yet? Or you only sent box 4 and have not received return fire yet?

    Also I think we should wait to hear both sides, before jumping the gun. It would be weird for someone this active, with this many trades to just throw it away, although not unprecedented.
    The not replying to messages though is never a good sign.
     
  18. Dark_Scarecrow

    Dark_Scarecrow Pundit (930) Jul 19, 2018 Virginia
    Trader

    You are correct. This is very unfortunate. It is not my intent to tarnish someone's reputation. He mentored me through the trading process and I am grateful for that. I have had some wonderful experiences trading on BA and have had the opportunity to try some amazing beers (from many BA members) that I would never have had the chance to do so.

    We did have trade requests for the first three trades. We both left positive feedback upon completion. We did not set up a trade request after that. I suppose I can send him one now to see if he accepts (not liking my chances though).

    Below is the last message I received from him. Based on our history it seemed he was good for it. The most frustrating part is that he went 'dark' on me but continued activity on the site.

    dude, epic box! thanks so much! i’m on my way to StL for the evening as i type (not driving of course) to make some runs to fill out a box for you. going to hit NG, Perennial and Side Project so i should have something for you next week. sorry i haven’t been able to get anything to you sooner. cheers!

    Luscious_Malfoy, Oct 26, 2018
     
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  19. Dark_Scarecrow

    Dark_Scarecrow Pundit (930) Jul 19, 2018 Virginia
    Trader

    The new trades were not requested through BA. We were engaged in 'regular' trading and to me it had evolved into a trusted relationship (I accept any blame for not using the BA trade request when I sent the 4th and 5th boxes).

    I would message him to see if he was ready for another box and he would let me know. The 5th box was a product of me going on a small trip and having beer for him sooner that I was anticipating. I checked with him and he said to go ahead and ship it.... he would have a box coming my way soon. I was aware (as was he) that I was already a box ahead of him before I sent the 5th, and at that point I had no reason to believe he would stop communicating with me.

    I agree that both sides should be heard before judgment is levied. Everything here is certainly from my perspective. I still hope that there is a reasonable explanation for what has transpired.
     
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