IBU ratings

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by LorieRay, Jan 29, 2019.

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  1. LorieRay

    LorieRay Initiate (0) Jan 29, 2019 Texas

    Why no IBU ratings on beers
     
  2. Snowcrash000

    Snowcrash000 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,041) Oct 4, 2017 Germany
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    Thank you for your eloquent and much valued contribution. Despite your concise line of questioning, a little more detail regarding the nature of your concern would still be much appreciated in order to allow for a more in-depth analysis of the problem.

    I look very much forward to your swift and enlightening response.
     
  3. LorieRay

    LorieRay Initiate (0) Jan 29, 2019 Texas

    Dear Snowcrash000

    Sorry for not elaborating on my inquiry. Let me expand my question. Why aren't there any IBU (Int'l Bitterness Units) on Beer Advocates beers?
     
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  4. Ranbot

    Ranbot Pooh-Bah (2,463) Nov 27, 2006 Pennsylvania
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    The average consumer doesn't know what IBU means.
     
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  5. deleted_user_1007501

    deleted_user_1007501 Initiate (0) Jun 30, 2015

    Because it doesn’t really matter. Everyone has a different tolerance to bitterness.
     
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  6. LorieRay

    LorieRay Initiate (0) Jan 29, 2019 Texas

    OK thanks a lot to both Ranbot and mambossa. I appreciate your responses.
     
  7. Harrison8

    Harrison8 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,285) Dec 6, 2015 Missouri
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    Tree House's "Green" and "Haze" both hit at the same IBU count as Dogfish Head's "90 Minute", and yet one tastes much more 'bitter' than the others (all three are 90 IBUs).

    In other words, they're a tangible figure to look at, but don't provide an accurate description of how bitter a beer is going to drink.
     
  8. NeroFiddled

    NeroFiddled Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,276) Jul 8, 2002 Pennsylvania
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    In addition to everything that's already been said, most small brewers can't afford the equipment to measure their IBUs. They could guess, and some do, but it's not a requirement.
     
  9. AZBeerDude72

    AZBeerDude72 Initiate (0) Jun 10, 2016 Arizona

    We don't produce the beers, so why would we include them on our beers? Oh, did you mean on our review of beers? Well I don't think it matters much to most so not important.
    Would you enjoy seeing them on your beers and would it help your purchase decisions?
    Cheers
     
  10. AZBeerDude72

    AZBeerDude72 Initiate (0) Jun 10, 2016 Arizona

    Exactly, rather than just toss out this question maybe a little more depth into why, etc. LOL
    :beers::beers:
     
  11. Snowcrash000

    Snowcrash000 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,041) Oct 4, 2017 Germany
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    Aha, I was wondering if you were refering to containers or the BA database. My guess is that the site doesn't bother listing them for the reasons already mentioned. Also, most brewers don't bother listing them on the can/bottle either, so without that information actually existing it's pretty hard to mention it here. It is sometimes listed under notes though.
     
  12. GOBLIN

    GOBLIN Pooh-Bah (2,676) Mar 3, 2013 Ohio
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    Geez ... guy joins Ba asks one question and everyone jumps on him. Way to make him feel welcomed.
     
  13. Squire

    Squire Grand Pooh-Bah (4,385) Jul 16, 2015 Mississippi
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    Hello Lorie, welcome to BA. The short answer is IBU ratings on labels are not as much a selling point as they were a few years ago and Craft Brewers tend to emphasize what they believe the consumer will find most appealing. That and IBUs don't really tell us that much about the beer. I've had 45 IBU brews that tasted more bitter to me than others rated at 60 or higher. It also depends on how the brewer uses the hops (how much and at what stage added) as well as the type malt(s) used and the beer style generally.

    Most brewers list this information on their web sites but I only look that up for a beer I'm reviewing and don't really rely on it for a purchasing decision.
     
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  14. NeroFiddled

    NeroFiddled Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,276) Jul 8, 2002 Pennsylvania
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    To note, I will often add a guess at IBUs in a review when I'm pretty sure of what it is. However, as @Harrison8 has noted, IBUs aren't necessarily as recognizable as one might think.
     
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  15. Squire

    Squire Grand Pooh-Bah (4,385) Jul 16, 2015 Mississippi
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    Another point is hops are an agricultural produce that will have year to year crop variances. Small brewers that may buy a few thousand pounds of a particular hop variety are much more susceptible to be affected by this than large brewers that contract hops by train boxcars load. A small brewer using the same recipe and same hop supplier may produce a beer that measures 55 IBU rather than 60 so it doesn't pay to have labels printed that may be non conforming with the next batch.
     
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  16. drh88

    drh88 Pundit (810) Dec 21, 2005 Pennsylvania

    Welcome to the fam LorieRay. IBU's are really not an objective measurement of a beer's perceived bitterness. It used to be used as a marketing criterion back in the day with IPA's when more bitter was better, but not so much any more. Cheers !
     
  17. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,635) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    If the AA% is low add more hops, if it is high add less, that way you hit the target value (as best that can be done), and make repeatable beer. Brewing 101.
     
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  18. Bitterbill

    Bitterbill Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,036) Sep 14, 2002 Wyoming
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    Not a necessity but Ratebeer has the option to list the IBU of beers. /not trying to redirect you...
     
  19. Squire

    Squire Grand Pooh-Bah (4,385) Jul 16, 2015 Mississippi
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    Unless cost considerations require stretching out that hop supply as far as possible. Frankly, I don't think a competently made brew will suffer any sales loss if the IBU is 55 rather than 60 but non conforming labels even if printed in house are a dead loss.
     
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  20. dcotom

    dcotom Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,637) Aug 4, 2014 Iowa
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    Welcome aboard!
    Whenever I add a beer to the database, I always check the brewer's web site for information on the beer (e.g. malts, hops, IBU, flavorings, adjuncts) and include this in the Notes section. As others have pointed out, though, it's not an exact science when it comes to how bitter the beer actually tastes.

    Good luck!
     
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