Rice vs. Corn Syrup in Beer

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  1. grapesandgrain

    grapesandgrain Initiate (0) Feb 18, 2015 Australia

    You're correct I do have a problem with it, and I try hard to eliminate it from my diet completely. I would encourage anyone to do some research on it before they decide to accept it.

    Mercury in Corn Syrup http://www.anh-usa.org/mercury-found-in-high-fructose-corn-syrup/
    https://drhyman.com/blog/2011/05/13/5-reasons-high-fructose-corn-syrup-will-kill-you/

    Feel free to do some of your own research I think many people would be shocked just how bad it is for you, also last I checked yeast don't ferment mercury.

    TLDR; Corn Syrup is bad news and contains MERCURY and many other contaminates that other forms of sugar simply don't.
     
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  2. bbtkd

    bbtkd Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,790) Sep 20, 2015 South Dakota
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    The story says that the mercury is introduced in the production of high-fructose corn syrup, presumably from regular corn syrup. It clearly refers to the cause being chemicals used in that transformation, not in the base ingredient. Is there a study that found mercury in non-high-fructose corn syrup? I suspect not.
     
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  3. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,647) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    Not all corn syrup is high fructose corn syrup.

    What do y'all think of using corn grits to make beer?
     
  4. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    You should follow your own advice. "Corn Syrup" - glucose and dextrose - used as an adjunct in the brewing industry is NOT "High Fructose Corn Syrup" (which is the product your links discuss).

    First Google hit: Corn Syrup vs. High-Fructose Corn Syrup: There Is a Difference
     
  5. HouseofWortship

    HouseofWortship Pooh-Bah (2,735) May 3, 2016 Illinois
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    Do you eat fish?
     
  6. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,647) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    Apples and pears have a high % of fructose. Honey is higher, and used in some beers.
     
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  7. donspublic

    donspublic Grand Pooh-Bah (3,552) Aug 4, 2014 Texas
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    Just reading this forum has proven that InBev accomplished their task. Some people when they hear Corn Syrup automatically assume it is High-Fructose. Good that you threw this in.
     
  8. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    Well, it might be more prevalent a misunderstanding among the general public concerning beer, but the confusion's existed here on BA since I can remember - here's a thread from 7 years ago f'r'instance -
    https://www.beeradvocate.com/community/threads/cola-beer.27049
     
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  9. surfcaster

    surfcaster Initiate (0) Apr 20, 2013 North Carolina
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    BINGO!

    I’m really not sure what they truly accomplished other than casting a negative light but the ads have been received well by the viewing public.

    They hit a grand slam with the ad regardless of what we think about the ads content.

    I have also enjoyed the responses.
     
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  10. FatBoyGotSwagger

    FatBoyGotSwagger Grand Pooh-Bah (3,999) Apr 4, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    All the Bud light adds with the king and his knight have been pure gold. If I didn't care about my dog so much my avatar would be the Bud Light Night. Suprised I haven't seen a few around.
     
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  11. bbtkd

    bbtkd Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,790) Sep 20, 2015 South Dakota
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    I get a kick out of the commercials where the visiting royalty are going on about savoring the look, smell, and flavor of their drinks, but the Bud King isn't having it - an obvious dig on craft beer drinkers. With Bud they want you to just slam it, not smell or taste it because that wouldn't end well for them. As far as the corn syrup commercials they're going for FUD (fear, uncertainty, doubt) in the minds of Coors and Miller drinkers, and if that is misinterpreted as high-fructose corn syrup, so much the better for Bud.
     
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  12. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    Yeah, what's the deal with Anheuser-Busch all of a sudden creating this new concern about corn syrup being used as a brewing adjunct by US brewers and all these 21st century food fearmongers jumping on board?

    [​IMG]
     
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  13. b11

    b11 Devotee (386) Jun 27, 2012 New York

    1. GMOs in agriculture have created monocultures (fewer plant varieties), which greatly increases the risk of devastating epidemics.
    2. GMOs in agriculture have created business monopolies, demonstrably bad for consumers (which is why laws are created to ban monopolies).
    3. GMO-based agriculture threatens the small farmers who now have to compete on a price-basis with enormous mechanized, mono-farms.
    4. GMOs in agriculture have greatly increased our use of the herbicides that are required to make the herbicide-resistant GMO approach effective, notably glyphosate, which has not been clearly demonstrated to be safe.
    5. Glyphosate and other co-marketed herbicides kill the native plants around the cultivated areas, reducing diversity and increasing habitat loss.
    6. The commercial success of glyphosate-resistant varieties and the herbicide (toxin)-based approach has emboldened the agri-tech companies to propose or develop potentially dangerous herbicides such as 2,4-D and Dicamba.
    7. Approaches based on herbicide-resistant GMOs paired with herbicide will inevitably fail, as herbicide-resistant weeds will - and already have - evolved.
    8. The corrupt collaboration between politicians paid by huge monopolies and the huge monopolies creating agricultural GMOs acts against the best interests of the citizen by reducing oversight and objective assessment of any environmental and health damage posed by the GMO plant, or the herbicide that may be co-marketed with the GMO.

    There are different definitions of "GMO". When the average person talks about a GMO they are usually thinking about a plant variety that is "owned" (created and patented) by some multi-national agri-tech company, not some organism created in a science lab, that never leaves that lab.
     
  14. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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  15. HouseofWortship

    HouseofWortship Pooh-Bah (2,735) May 3, 2016 Illinois
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    InBev is putting on a clinic talking about how using corn syrup is fine like they do in their "value brands" because it makes it more affordable. They are trying to position Coors and Milller Lights as either overpriced value brands or lower quality premium brands.....
     
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  16. FatBoyGotSwagger

    FatBoyGotSwagger Grand Pooh-Bah (3,999) Apr 4, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Seems Bud has an identity, you seem to be in firm belief that these adds were a failure. Ethics? Make money and good commercials. I kid they have no ethics but who does nowadays. I will say I don't drink Bud often but these commercials are not a mistake or will backfire on them.
     
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  17. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Nope.

    Cheers!
     
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  18. Squire

    Squire Grand Pooh-Bah (4,385) Jul 16, 2015 Mississippi
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    I think the ad does work for Bud Light drinkers and reinforces their desire to stay on the reservation.
     
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  19. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    @FatBoyGotSwagger commented in post #196: “…you seem to be in firm belief that these ads were a failure.”

    Firstly, permit me to recap my motivations for starting this thread. I wanted to solicit from the BA community their thoughts on three topics:

    1. When did rice become a ‘good’ ingredient?

    2. Why is corn syrup viewed negatively?

    3. Anheuser Busch uses corn syrup to brew some of their beer brands

    After further discussion both by BAs in this thread and by discussion in the media (articles, etc.) my thoughts at this moment in time are:

    I still do not have what I consider to be a ‘good’ understanding of why AB thinks that marketing the ingredient of rice is a selling argument for Bud Light. The best that I can rationalize right now is that the AB folks are of the opinion that rice is ‘better’ than corn syrup and therefore it is OK (and a good marketing tactic?) to highlight the use of rice in the production of Bud Light.

    At the moment I am thinking that AB’s marketing tactic as regards corn syrup is that they are of the opinion that consumers will conflate corn syrup with HFCS (High Fructose Corn Syrup) and that a significant portion of beer consumers think that HFCS is a bad ingredient. How many beer consumers think that HFCS is bad? I personally have no idea but maybe AB did some polling of this topic prior to constructing these ads making fun of corn syrup? Is it proper and ethical for AB to create ads which intimate that their competitors use a bad ingredient? Perhaps the old saying of “all’s fair in love and war” applies here?

    As regards the topic of AB using corn syrup in the production of some of their products they made a statement of: “Some beers do use corn syrup and that’s fine. In fact, our value brands use corn syrup. We use corn syrup in these brands because it makes the beer less expensive to produce and is therefore offered at a more affordable price to consumers.” So they are attempting to make the association that using corn syrup in making beer equates to a ‘cheaper’ (e.g., a lesser quality) product. In my opinion this is just another case of conflating things. A beer produced using corn syrup or rice is an equivalent product in that a non-malt ingredient is used to lighten the beer – lighter in color, lighter in body and lighter in flavor.

    Back to the aspect of: are these ads a failure? I am not a marketing & sales person but throughout my working career I have worked very closely with marketing folks albeit not in a consumer product market. I am of the opinion that an advertising campaign should be solely measured by money. Did the investment of $10+ million dollars result in increased sales? And I would personally go a bit further with: did the advertising result in increased sales over a sustained period of time (e.g., over the next two quarters)?

    It would be worthwhile over the next quarter or two to see if the misrepresentation of beers like Miller Lite and Coors Light resulted in increased sales of Bud Light. I personally have no prediction here.

    Cheers!
     
  20. islay

    islay Savant (1,211) Jan 6, 2008 Minnesota

    When did rice become a "good" ingredient? When Bud Light in its ads started bragging about using it alongside barley and hops. AB InBev has the resources and influence to set the tone and parameters of the conversation about beer among the general public, and it cleverly utilized them proactively to declare its ingredients good and its competitors' ingredients substandard. Yes, it had the advantage of its competitors' ingredients already having been demonized in the public's collective mind. Keep in mind that not just HFCS but also corn in its own right is a bogeyman to much of the alt-health crowd and many pop-environmentalists.
     
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