Busted up Incoming box

Discussion in 'Trade Talk' started by nc41, Nov 15, 2012.

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  1. nc41

    nc41 Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    Out of the 6 bottles only 4 survived. IMO badly packed, bottles were piggybacked and not individually wrapped, what a freaking mess. I notified the other guy, now what? These are off the shelf beers, does protocol say he should offer to replace them? What if there were not off the shelf stuff? The box I had busted up I was the 1st shipper so I waved him off so he didn't ship, but I couldn't replace the contents at any price. And if your trading rarer beers you generally don't have extras just lying around just in case.
     
  2. minnesotaryan

    minnesotaryan Initiate (0) Dec 27, 2010 Minnesota

    don't trade what you can't replace.
     
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  3. Hanzo

    Hanzo Initiate (0) Feb 27, 2012 Virginia

    It is the shippers responsibility to get your beers to you intact. Plain and simple he should replace anything broken. It gets difficult with one off whales, but with shelf beer this is an open and shut case.

    For beers you can't replace, you just have to abort the trade or find something of equal value the trade partner is willing to accept as a replacement.
     
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  4. nc41

    nc41 Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    What if you have a BC Rare your trading for say Chocolate Rain as an example. I need to have 2 Rare's in stock to trade one? A better packing job would have prevented this, the box wasn't crushed, the bottles were lying next to each other, I'm surprised 4 made it.
     
  5. pmoney

    pmoney Initiate (0) Apr 15, 2011 Illinois

    In your scenario, you may not have a second Rare to trade. If that's the case, make sure you pack that thing so well that nothing could happen to it. That's the safest bet. Otherwise, you'd have to come to an agreement with your trading partner on something to replace the Rare. If no agreement can be made, you'd owe him his beer back.

    1. Pack really well.
    2. Have a replacement bottle on-hand if you suck at packing.
    3. Don't drink the other guy's beer until you know your box landed safely just in case you have to send it back.
     
  6. minnesotaryan

    minnesotaryan Initiate (0) Dec 27, 2010 Minnesota

    if you are sending something super rare, pack the hell out of it! perhaps even send it on its own double boxed and super bubble wrapped.
     
  7. Bad_Trader

    Bad_Trader Initiate (0) Nov 8, 2012 Namibia

    Let it go, shit happens.















    (Shipper owes you 4 beers, assuming all 4 weren't extras. Easy as that)

    Why the hypotheticals though? Why not just say what beers were involved?
     
  8. nc41

    nc41 Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    It was a simple locals 4 locals trade, nothing rare, Head Hunter IPA and Columbus IPA's, for Olde Hickory, Foothills, some Duck Rabbit brews. All easily replaceable.
     
  9. cbeer88

    cbeer88 Initiate (0) Sep 5, 2007 Massachusetts

    No. If you had 1 of something like Rare and really wanted to trade it, then you would pack the ever-loving hell out of it. 20 layers of bubble wrap and a triple boxing would ensure it survives almost anything short of a steamroller driving over it. That may be excessive, but you get the point.

    Also, there are very few beers that are truly unreplaceable. You may need to give up an arm and a leg to replace something, but it is doable. Realistically though, you could always just ship your partners beer back to him and call the trade off, or try to find something else suitable if you can.
     
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  10. nc41

    nc41 Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    I agree right down the line. Now I bring my beer to a wine retailer, he packs it in styro boxes, and I pay for the box and a 10 extra for his trouble. I'd rather be upside down in trades knowing damn well my stuff will survive most anything any careless processor could possibly do to that box, short of running it over with the damn truck.

    And I never, ever drink another guys beer until my box arrives safely.
     
  11. radio2525

    radio2525 Zealot (586) Feb 14, 2012 Ohio
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    For trading the whales. Spend the couple extra dollars on a heaver box with more packaging and make sure you package really well.
     
  12. Apuzarne

    Apuzarne Initiate (0) Dec 21, 2011 Connecticut

    I think what cbeer88 said is spot on. Don't drink the bottles you get until the other trader receives his bottles. That way if bottles do break you can ship your partners beer back to him and all is well.
     
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  13. Hanzo

    Hanzo Initiate (0) Feb 27, 2012 Virginia

    I pack every beer bottle as if it were a whale. I can't stand the idea of sending someone a broken mess.
     
  14. YaKnowBrady

    YaKnowBrady Pundit (809) Jul 23, 2010 New Jersey

    The rare beer hypotheticals are stupid. Any beer, regardless of rarity, is ALWAYS traded at risk, and if both traders aren't aware of that, you're just as stupid.

    There are dozens of scenarios, from bottle breaking, box ripping open, leaking, derailment of train, crash of couriers truck, theft..... the list goes on.

    If you don't think that you are risking the loss of the bottles on both ends, then you shouldn't trade.

    That being said, IF the senders bottle breaks or is otherwise lost in transit, then either the trade is negated by the return of bottles to parties, and chalk it up as a loss for the sender with the bad luck (this is why you wait to drink your received beers until yours make it, ALWAYS). Other negotiations or replacements can be made to remedy the lost bottle; if it can't be replaced directly by a like bottle of the same beer, then others amounts of equal rarity or volume, agreed upon by the receiver, should be sent.

    If your bottles didn't break going to him, then he should replace those that broke. If it were a rare beer, the same should happen, but just understand the risk with EVERY trade, regardless of rarity.
     
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  15. nc41

    nc41 Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    I do too, and still had a mess, it happens. But in this case it was easy to see it wasn't even a decent packing job. I've only lost that one box, but losing a bunch of BCBS was pretty devastating, and this was the first trade after that mess, so the last two haven't turned out well at all.
     
  16. JeepCop

    JeepCop Initiate (0) May 16, 2010 Kansas
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    All negotiated beers (does not include extras) should arrive to the trade partner in sealed and drinkable condition. Anything short of that will need to be replaced or worked out amongst both parties involved. Quite simple, really.
     
  17. nc41

    nc41 Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    I've replaced extra's. I put in a few Duck Rabbits 5-6 months ago and they were infected Baltic Porters, and I apologized and replaced them with something else. I don't ever even if they're extra's want to give a guy bad stuff. The DR Imperial Stout was on the infected list, but the baltic porter wasn't at the time of the trade. I think you still need to make good for the box if you possibly can.
     
  18. Rempo

    Rempo Initiate (0) Jan 18, 2010 Indiana

    If I've got back-up bottles, I pretty much half-ass the packing.
     
  19. nc41

    nc41 Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    Why. The guy trading doesn't want busted up bottles dripping beer in his car when he picks them up. It only take an extra bit to bubble wrap up a few beers. If yo have to replace them your out more been and another UPS bill.
     
  20. Rempo

    Rempo Initiate (0) Jan 18, 2010 Indiana

    I love trading dangerously. Sometimes I'll contact people off the bad traders list for same-time shipping trades. And one time, I was feeling really risky and I told a guy to just send whatever.
     
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