Worst Brewery Thread Vibe?

My post said two things. Colorado is getting their beers. And they suck. Basing my opinion on a style of beer that is supposed to be the breweries forte is not crazy at all. If you went to a steak house and the meat was tough and poorly cooked would you go back for the chicken?
I have read so many people on this site complaining about NEIPA and the terrible iterations out there, and I truly hadn't come across one that exemplified those complaints until now. Several breweries, not just local to me, have been working on hopping techniques that reduce or even eliminate hop burn. They have been working at stabilizing polyphenol complexes and cetrifuging beers so they don't exhibit a bready or chalky element from yeast in suspension. Clearly hoof hearted isnt following suit. If it was an old can, the brewery is clearly behind the times on dating as well. Also, no traded needed. GABF week sees these beers on tap around town. We are spoiled here. Lastly, Colorado beer isnt necessarily better than any other beer scene, but for the midwest,north west, northeast, or any scene to say their beer is the best is silly.

 

Back on topic:

The Worst Brewery Thread Vibe? thread used to be a good one until people started taking things personally and other threads spilled into it.

 

For a while the OddSide Ales thread in the Great Lakes forum from 2016 got pretty interesting at times. It has a little bit of everything.

https://www.beeradvocate.com/community/threads/oddside-ales-and-tart-ba-stouts.400762/

 

I agree. Reading through that thread provides endless entertainment.

I particularly love how everyone makes fun of the 'tose Boyz.

 

As requested... Disclaimer beforehand... Before today, I've only had a few Trillium beers and it has been a long time since my last sampling. Previously, I was not blown away, but rather, I thought the beers were really good. It's rare that I'm blown away by any beer, so take it for what it's worth. I also have a lot of respect for Trillium beers, even when I'm not a fan of the individual beer I'm drinking.

I had 4 Trillium beers today, none was older than a month I believe. The beers I had (in order) were Melcher Street, DDH Scaled, Minot's Ledge Lighthouse (DIPA), and Plane over car over train over boat (Quad IPA).

Firstly, Melcher Street was the best Trillium beer I've drank. I felt that the hop flavor was a bright orange juice character that was great. I was paying close attention to the mouthfeel on all the beers and I felt this one was perfect. There was a slight mineral flavor that I probably would have never picked up on if not for the fact that I use very soft water in my IPA's.

Second beer was DDH Scaled. It was well brewed, the aroma was phenomenal, and the mouthfeel was great. Flavorwise, I feel like whoever is doing their hop selections has a differing opinion from mine about the quality of hops. I thought the beer was good, but that the overripe cantaloupe hop flavor was not my preference. Not a brewing quality problem, just a difference of preference.

The DIPA and the QIPA were not the beers for me. They both were really sweet. The DIPA was my least favorite of the 4. I felt like I could see where the complaints have come from, but I really don't think that's because of "fermentation profile" but rather a change in brewing philosophy. I pride myself on brewing high ABV beers with little to no "booziness" while also being easily drinkable and I felt like these two beers were not that way, but not that there was anything "wrong" with them, just not what I would personally want to buy. That said, I want to stress that the "issue" that people are complaining about is not a fermentation or yeast profile. It's a small change in ideas and it's still working for them. While they're not my preference, those two beers are really highly regarded.

 

That's because the stuff showing up in CO is contract brewed garbage. Nothing like the stuff from the brewery. And that being said, many of their business practices are downright stupid, but Hoof can make some damn good hoppy beers if thats what you're into.

 

You got me wondering if the slight bitterness I detected was actually the mineral notes you picked up? Cool review of the beers and giving your professional take on the conversation with their beer, cheers!!

 

I'm no apologist. They put their name on it, therefore they stand behind the product. It sucks, that's on hoof.

 

For sure. That's why I said some of their business practices are stupid. The fact you can get some rip-off stuff with their name on it on the other side of the country is stupid.

But, my other point is I hope you don't come to a conclusion saying "wow Hoof sucks", because you tried some stuff not even made by them. Cause you'd be missing out.

 

Wild Barrel in the Pacific Forum.. Of which I am a participant.. We're all a bit tired of not getting beers from our membership.

 

As the owner of the Trillium thread, I can say that there's a difference between having negative opinions and being a dick, which some in it are guilty of being. Happy to chat about when I or others don't like a brew or wished something was better, but it hits the point where:

A) You're repeating the same points over and over that have been covered over countless hundreds of previous posts, resulting in zero meaningful discussion.
B) You're just trolling and derailing the thread (See: "When's the next poo water stout")

I wish there were some solid moderation tools (unless there's something I'm unaware of) to better maintain quality discussion, both negative and positive.

 

Hard to say... people perceive mineral characteristics differently. I’m used to very soft water since I use RO water and add little to no brewing salts depending on the beer. In our state, I think Wren and PV both use RO now but I don’t know anything about what they add back into it. Most breweries up your way are using active carbon filters and that’s the only treatment, so the water remains pretty mineralistic. That’s how I used to brew at my last brewery and I grew numb to it over the years. Now for 2.5 years I’ve been using really soft water and hard water stands out to me as it has become an unfamiliar flavor.

 

It's probably too expensive to send babysitters to mind all of those folks.

 

At least that thread has some solid information about why the folks at Wild Barrel are terrible and not just some people hating on them. It's been very informative in my opinion and I feel like warned me away from supporting some snakes

 

One thing I have learned, just because I don't get to try a certain beer doesn't mean I'm missing out. There was fresh M43 on The shelf next to it along with la cumbre altimeter. Guess what I've been drinking since drain pouring slo turbo?

 

think you might have quoted the wrong person here, but I'll take a stab anywho...fresh M43 and Altimeter?

 

Hoof's customer retention strategy is awful not only because of the business practices because the product is so inconsistent. I live in Columbus (not too far from the brewery) and the only way I'll even risk buying cans from the actual brewery is to try the beer on tap first. Its that hit or miss even from the brewery...so can only imagine what the contract brewing stuff tastes like.

 

Oh shit. Totally wrong person. M43 is a well made NEIPA from old nation, altimeter is a well made west coast style IPA from la cumbre. I won't be wasting any more $$$ on anything from hoof with beers like those sitting on the shelf.

 

I can’t think of any really negative experience at a brew pub, some places are nicer than others, some have better beers, the vibes can be different. I can’t think of any beer I’ve had a any place I’d call a shit beer, the worst examples imo are just mediocre. A pretty good state of beer when the least favorite you’ll get is merely average at best. So you live for the ones that really stand out as outstanding. The only recent complaint I’ve offered up for a brew pub was that SN in Mills River was really crowded. On 2nd thought, well no shit, it’s a destination place for anyone in Asheville. That first world problem was on me, and in hindsight a ridiculous complaint.

There was a time in the late 70s in Jacksonville NC at a Biker Bar a guy pulled a gun at the door....... that was interesting.

 

I generally dislike that "overripe" fruit character (typically mango or melon in my experience) in IPAs and always wondered if that was a flaw of sorts or just an intended hop characteristic that I'm not fond of. Thank you for the clarification.