Posting reviews without text to back it up

Talk Discussion in 'BeerAdvocate Talk' started by hottenot, Mar 29, 2019.

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  1. TheIPAHunter

    TheIPAHunter Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,026) Aug 12, 2007 California
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    Peace to my brother, @cavedave. I should read this entire thread, but I won't. I don't care if people give a score rating vice writing a review. Any idiot can describe an IPA these days. Have you seen some of these goons on YouTube, ahem, that go off top and always say the same exact thing? Besides, I will never fit in a box. If you ask me to describe an IPA, I'll compare it to a woman and, if you're paying close attention, you might just walk away going, holy shit, he actually said something. Cheers to whatever floats everyone's boat. We are all here for the love of beer. Mhmmm. Can I get a witness? Good lawwwd. Amen, Hunter.
     
  2. Junior

    Junior Pooh-Bah (1,883) May 23, 2015 Michigan
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    But it provides context. Which is useful.
     
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  3. TheIPAHunter

    TheIPAHunter Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,026) Aug 12, 2007 California
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    I don't think it provides context when the 1-year member with aspirations of Poo-Bah writes:

    Yeah, this looks amazing.

    The nose is ridiculous.

    Taste follows.

    Ahh, it feels so good on the palate.

    I loved this beer. Check it out!

    Side note: I have never sought any status on here. You can find me in the WBAYDN forum daily, repping that BA love. Cheers!
     
  4. FBarber

    FBarber Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,325) Mar 5, 2016 Illinois
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    Its still better than the 155 character "review" that lists where the beer was bought, price, what glass it was served in, and the weather out the evening it was consumed.
     
  5. TheIPAHunter

    TheIPAHunter Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,026) Aug 12, 2007 California
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    Cheers to that, sir. I think the point is that anyone can fulfill the minimum text requirement to get more points towards their karma. I like to use my words, albeit unorthodox, when I'm truly blown away. Otherwise, I'll score. You either respect my opinion, or you don't. I try to be fair.
     
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  6. Junior

    Junior Pooh-Bah (1,883) May 23, 2015 Michigan
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    But it does. It tells us that we can ignore the review and the rating.
     
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  7. Todd

    Todd Founder (13,518) Aug 23, 1996 Finland
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    All of that said, we do have plans to return to our roots by putting more focus on reviews.
     
  8. BBThunderbolt

    BBThunderbolt Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,846) Sep 24, 2007 Kiribati
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    Eh, FWIW, my approach on UT (which I do not take seriously, it's just casual fun) is to everything a 4. Unless it's really damn great, or really damn terrible. Perhaps you could consider a similar approach here? Pick middle of the road number, give everything that number, unless you realy love or hate it. Shrug.
     
  9. Oh_Dark_Star

    Oh_Dark_Star Pooh-Bah (2,386) Mar 4, 2015 Washington
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    Restringing is not difficult, but there is something about breaking a string that makes this chore a beer-worth endeavor!

     
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  10. Oh_Dark_Star

    Oh_Dark_Star Pooh-Bah (2,386) Mar 4, 2015 Washington
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    Ugh. Had this up for a good read along with another tab for beer I'm drinking now, and I seemed to have gotten them crossed... That Bbomb is a powerful stout! Sorry about the off-topic post.
     
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  11. Scrapss

    Scrapss Pooh-Bah (2,220) Nov 15, 2008 Pennsylvania
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    I review. My palate may suck, my reviews may suck and you may hate my opinion but I won't just tick numbers without justification. I will put words to emotion on beers I bother to pontificate about. You should too if you can. But if your socialization habits dictate no additional words, then notate for later please. I would like to see your review.
     
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  12. Oh_Dark_Star

    Oh_Dark_Star Pooh-Bah (2,386) Mar 4, 2015 Washington
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    Hmm I find this debate interesting. Overall I agree that you contribute as you see fit. I kept phone notes for transfer to Excel for years. This never accomplished the on the fly need for my personal data on how a brewery fared on a particular style when choosing new brews at the bottle shop or returning to the brewery. I get pulled in by good marketing and bottle/can design and may buy a totally awful beer because the label took me in yet again!
    So I finally transferred my data to BA. So I could have it at my fingertips. Now that was over a thousand beers, most of which I put down ratings for but not always reviews.

    I add notes when I feel that something stands out for good or bad. If a beer is so mediocre and average, I'm not going to take the time to try to define it's mediocrity. Also I agree that we are not all expert tasters and I would rather add notes I have confidence in than to spout artsy sounding BS which only serves to display ignorance.

    Last note is that the majority of my ratings are below the average, which you may perceive as bringing down beers with ratings only and no review, but I find that overall contributors on beer sites overrate the beers. They compress the range between okay and outstanding to such a narrow band so as to make the review a rubber stamp of meaninglessness. If everything is a 4 to 4.5 than what is really good? what is really just okay or average?
    If you will notice BA classifies the numbers. A beer goes from okay to poor at 3.0. I don't know about you but I do try a lot of beers that are just okay in this current saturated market. I don't shy away from rating that brew for what it is. It is not a 4. And that said very few should make it to 4.7 to 5. There have been BBA stouts that were so much better than what I'd previously had that I overrated them initially. I try to also go back and bring them back into perspective as I try new and better things.

    In the end, the greater the sample size, even with wild extremes and personal bias, the more accurately the result will reflect the 'truth' of popular opinion and form a basis for relative comparison. My two cents, with review or not, further that cause!
     
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  13. TrojanRB

    TrojanRB Grand Pooh-Bah (3,779) Jul 27, 2013 Texas
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    For what it’s worth, I always enjoyed your reviews.

    Understandable that after all the beers you’ve had, it probably became a chore.
     
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  14. Sound_Explorer

    Sound_Explorer Grand Pooh-Bah (3,044) Dec 29, 2013 Washington
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    Completely agree. I don't want to write a full review of every single beer, sort of takes the joy out of it. It becomes more a job or obligation added to enjoying the beer. Sometimes I am out with people and I just want to note and rate a beer I'm having in a matter of a couple minutes rather than 7-10.
     
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  15. Sound_Explorer

    Sound_Explorer Grand Pooh-Bah (3,044) Dec 29, 2013 Washington
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    I will freely admit I don't review the overwhelming majority of the time. Self proclaimed ticker and proud of it thank you. I still take careful consideration when it comes to ratings though. I've taken care to establish, mentally for myself, certain rules to adhere to be consistent.I also make a point that if a beer really stands out as really good, or if my rating is quite off from the overall score at the time in case mine was a bad can/bottle or if the recipe improved and was better.

    I will also admit I did feel slightly intimidated when I first started with my ability to describe what I was tasting, I just didn't have the vocabulary. It wasn't anything the community did but I just read some other reviews with "mahogany color" or "biscuit and nut flavors" in them and I was just thinking 'WTH is all this fancy stuff I don't talk/think like that.' I've gotten more comfortable over time and experience (as well as reading a couple tasting books/articles) and got over that initial hesitation. Still don't know what plum nutty taste is though.
     
  16. BrewmanCapote

    BrewmanCapote Initiate (0) Feb 3, 2013 Illinois

    Personally, I spend 40+ hours a week writing for a living, so writing is the last thing I want to do when I'm relaxing with a beer.
     
  17. rgordon

    rgordon Pooh-Bah (2,701) Apr 26, 2012 North Carolina
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    I rarely rate beers here ( mostly New Beer Sunday), but when I do I try very hard to get to the bottom of it. I love beer and language and find the convergence of drinking and informing quite a lot of fun. No verbiage attached to a rating is meaningless.
     
  18. surfcaster

    surfcaster Initiate (0) Apr 20, 2013 North Carolina
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    Beer on your terms--the way it should be!
     
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  19. beer_beer

    beer_beer Pooh-Bah (2,306) Feb 13, 2018 Finland
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    It looks to get in periods for me. Now suddenly rating and especially making own reviews take a step back. Why not following the feeling?

    There will be plenty of time to change opinions again.

    I may be a bit more beer-wise next time around too :grin:
     
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  20. ScaryEd

    ScaryEd Grand Pooh-Bah (3,793) Feb 19, 2012 New Hampshire
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    It isn't so much time consuming as it's sometimes simply impractical.

    I started rating here in 2012. That's a long time for me. My tastes and experiences have changed rather drastically over those 7 years.

    At first I was afraid to review, simply because I didn't feel I was "experienced" enough to thoughtfully explain what I was tasting, or smelling. Then I said "F it" and started writing reviews mainly for fun.

    Now it's become a genuine hobby, one in which I enjoy. I went from ticking every beer I drank to sitting down and reviewing 90% of them. That leaves the 10% that still go unreviewed, which I go back to your initial comments.

    Most beer I drink at home. To me, there's really no excuse to not write at least something down when I'm at home enjoying (or gagging on) a new beer. But the 10% I drink at pubs, breweries, or during beer shares, I just don't realistically see the point in doing it. Some people take notes and then review later. More power to them. Personally, beer is just as much a social experience as it is a personal one, so I think taking notes while I'm at a brewery with a friend is modestly absurd.

    And ultimately, I rate and review for myself. Ratings help me see if I liked a beer so I can decide to have it later and give it a proper review.
     
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