Is my beer fresh?

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by Ultrarunner2018, May 18, 2019.

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  1. Ultrarunner2018

    Ultrarunner2018 Aspirant (239) Aug 3, 2018 New Jersey

    Hi;
    I have always purchased my beer from a large retailer (Total Wine, etc) here in NJ.
    The beers I drink most often are:
    Long Trail ale (survival pack)
    DogFish Head
    Sam Adams
    Brooklyn
    and other fairly well known brands.
    I almost always purchase beer in bottles.

    I normally don't purchase more than a case (either full case, or a combination of 12-paks and/or 6-paks) at one time, and consume it within 15-30 days.
    Normally, I keep my beer stored in the basement, and put a couple of bottles in the fridge at a time for later consumption.
    The basement may reach as high as 80F in summer, but is never exposed to sunlight. Not much I can do about the temperature down there, but it's certainly cooler than upstairs.

    I have been doing a lot of reading - Google searches, etc - and have more or less come to the disappointing conclusion that I am probably not enjoying the best my beer has to offer. That is, if I were to visit the brewery, and drink the very same beer, it would probably taste a lot better.
    Unfortunately though, visiting the brewery to enjoy my favorite beers would be impractical, not to mention very expensive.

    My best (educated) guess about the freshness of the beer I am buying is that the more product a particular retailer moves, the fresher the product available for purchase will be. Kind of like what has been said about buying any consumable that doesn't have an unlimited shelf life. I wouldn't buy milk from a 'Quickie mart' because most people don't go to those places to buy milk, so what they have is probably not so fresh.

    I guess it pays to be observant when buying beer. Avoid anything that has accumulated dust!
    It's probably not a good idea to ask a retailer for a beer you can't find in the store. He may have some - very old - bottles/cans in the back, and will be more than happy to unload them to the unsuspecting consumer...

    Any other suggestions?

    Thanks.
    Ultrarunner
     
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  2. Bitterbill

    Bitterbill Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,036) Sep 14, 2002 Wyoming
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    Look for a date? Packaged on or less than optimal, best before date.
     
  3. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    Always read the date.

    If there is no date don't buy any.

    If the date is a best by date don't buy any unless there are more than 2-3 months left before the bb date.

    If the date is a bottled on date don't buy any older than 2-3 months after the bottled on date.

    If you are buying Imperial Stouts or Barleywines ignore these guidelines.
     
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  4. Beer_Stan

    Beer_Stan Initiate (0) Mar 15, 2014 California
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    80 degrees is too hot for beer storage and is definitely having an effect on the flavor and longevity of your stored beer, if you don't have a cooler place to keep it besides your fridge, then it may be time to buy less.
     
  5. Bitterbill

    Bitterbill Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,036) Sep 14, 2002 Wyoming
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    Or anything barrel aged. Or smoked beers, or sours.
     
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  6. MNAle

    MNAle Initiate (0) Sep 6, 2011 Minnesota

    "as high as 80" in a basement in NJ? I'd guess it's normally 70 or less. right? My basement here in MN never, ever, gets that warm.

    While what @drtth and @Beer_Stan suggests is correct, if you're buying from TW, your storage is similar to how TW treats the beer prior to purchase anyway.
     
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  7. jrnyc

    jrnyc Grand Pooh-Bah (3,012) Mar 21, 2010 New York
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    You need to up your game, so much great beer out there. Are you near any local breweries? If so buy there and don’t worry about freshness of dusty bottles at stores.
     
  8. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    If you have a basement then you probably have room for a dedicated beer fridge. Look around for a small used one, or a wine keeeper if a case will be the max that you keep on hand. Also consider a small chest freezer at the right price because you can buy an external temp control device for $20-$30 that will keep a freezer anywhere from 30-60 degrees, depending on how cold you like your beer.
     
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  9. 57md

    57md Grand Pooh-Bah (3,033) Aug 22, 2011 Pennsylvania
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    An 80 degree basement?!? Are you near a volcano or hot spring?
     
  10. Bitterbill

    Bitterbill Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,036) Sep 14, 2002 Wyoming
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    Haha. He's in New Jersey, a state with awesome distribution. And from what I've read, not big complaints aboot old beers on the shelf, unlike, err..ahem..Pennsylvania. :wink:
     
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  11. bbtkd

    bbtkd Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,790) Sep 20, 2015 South Dakota
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    Tips to fresh beer;
    • Check dates and with lighter colored and lower ABV beers, drink as fresh as possible. Color isn't an absolute indicator of stability, but generally true that lighter beers degrade faster than darker beers
    • Don't store for long - buy smaller amounts more often and keep it refrigerated
    • If you can't store it under 70 degrees and in the dark, don't store it
    • Get a thermometer for your basement, probably not as hot as you think
    • Beers don't improve with age, they change, and whether you like the change is highly subjective. Some good beers have been ruined with aging
    • Don't make any assumptions about beer freshness based on the volume the store sells, since it may not have come from the distributor fresh
    • Never drink a beer in sunlight in a clear or green glass or bottle. It can skunk in a couple of minutes
     
  12. rgordon

    rgordon Pooh-Bah (2,701) Apr 26, 2012 North Carolina
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    A basement at 80 degrees doesn't sound right.. Put that case in the crawl space at the back where that little door goes onto the turf. But watch out for those high hopping hoondors (Camel Crickets).
     
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  13. Ultrarunner2018

    Ultrarunner2018 Aspirant (239) Aug 3, 2018 New Jersey

    Maybe I have exaggerated the temp a bit. I do know it gets higher than 70, but maybe not as high as 80. NJ has some very warm and humid days, and anytime the heat/humidity lasts for more than a few days, even the basement gets a bit warm. In any case, I will put a thermometer down there.
    So I guess I shouldn't buy more than a 12-pak at a time. I don't like to buy only a six-pak though. Trying to minimize runs to the store...

    Checking the date codes on the packaging/bottles I purchased earlier this week at TW, I find the following:
    Long Trail Survival Pack: Bottled: 01 03 19.
    Brooklyn Brown Ale: 10000508 BB 08/19 12:30 (Best By Aug 19 @ 12:30?? seems strange that a best by date would include the time). Is it brewed in Brooklyn NY, or somewhere else?
    DogFish Head 90 Minute Imperial IPA: Bottled on 04/03/19 1347

    So, it looks like the Long Trail Survival pack is the oldest of the 3 brews I purchased.
    That in itself is interesting, since TW did not even have any of the Survival Pack when I shopped there a month ago... this would tell me that it is the Long Trail distribution chain that is storing the brew and not TW.

    I may just buy a small fridge to put up in my bedroom. I would probably want to keep its temp at around 40?
     
  14. nc41

    nc41 Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    Plenty of good advice above, nothing to add to that. Beer temp is your choice, I like my beers to start cold, so mines set to as low as I can get it, I’d prefer 35-36 degrees. I don’t like cold stouts and porters, but I store them cold, and I drink these at 50 to start. Personal preference.
     
  15. Beer_Stan

    Beer_Stan Initiate (0) Mar 15, 2014 California
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    Even if you exaggerated the temp a bit a lot of beer is bottle conditioned and putting it back in warmer temperature will have an effect on the yeast and spur further fermentation and can produce flavors/CO2 levels that might not be what you want overall besides off flavors that I mentioned before. The fridge is a better idea or some kind of swamp cooler in your basement that can bring those temperatures down to at least 50-60 degrees in the summer as I'm sure you're fine the rest of the year.
     
  16. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    My advice might be very different from a lot of what you'll read here (other than check the dates).

    My first piece of advice is not to stress about this. If you are enjoying the beer you are drinking, then continue to do so. Just enjoy your beer for what it is. Trust your own experiences over "Google." If you are storing your beer at home for "15-30 days" then you shouldn't have to worry too much about it.

    My second piece of advice is: I am of the opinion that if you drank the same beer at a brewery (and yes, that is probably impractical), the beer will taste different (rather than strictly "better"), and the difference will have possibly more to do with your surroundings, activities, and other things you've drank than freshness and optimal storage.

    Lastly, check the dates of what you are buying and don't buy anything more than half a year old.
     
  17. nc41

    nc41 Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    Just curious about the 6 month window, by choice or circumstance? You’d be all set here 6 month old beers are on the shelf in volume. I’m always curious about guys who don’t mind older beer, but I’m a serious fresh freak, so no offense intended. I just can’t drink 6 month old ipas, I can smell the hop fade and malt. I kinda wish I had a more forgiving palate, but I just don’t. FWIW I consider 2 month old beer to be fringe depending on style, lots of times I skip beers that are over 30 days, but that’s just me.
     
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  18. MNAle

    MNAle Initiate (0) Sep 6, 2011 Minnesota

    What does hop fade smell like? Just wondering... (and, just kidding...) :wink::grin:
     
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  19. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    Half a year is a nice easy number that can be used as a general guide without needing a spreadsheet. I'm sensitive to age too. Last night, I opened a tripel and I just couldn't enjoy it because I thought it was too damaged from age. My wife said "I can't distinguish that." I think people tend to put too much stock in their rules regarding styles (and the differences between)... but if it works for you then don't fight it. I find the obsessiveness with freshness with only IPAs (rather than any beer) to be looney tuney, but I am definitely not a day in and day out IPA drinker. I've had some pale lagers hold up way better than some stouts or whatnot. I think brewing and packaging practices matter but people tend to only think in terms of style, ABV and color.
     
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  20. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    I thought the title of this thread was is my breath fresh... and I'm not even drinking yet.
     
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