Help a noob

Discussion in 'Homebrewing' started by Stefan89, May 24, 2019.

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  1. Stefan89

    Stefan89 Initiate (0) May 24, 2019

    Hi everyone! :slight_smile:
    I'm new to brewing beer, yesterday I did my first home brew using Coopers APA.
    Naturally as every noob I made some mistakes :grimacing:. I tried to keep everything sanitized but things got a bit messy when I opened the can (I opened it with a sanitized knife, because I don't have a can opener :grin:), so i heated up the content of the can to about 162 F, to sanitize it again. Also, and probably more important, I rehydrated US-05 in sterile 77F water for 15 minutes, stirred it a bit, and left for another 20, it was not very active when I added it to wort, it was just creamy. When i pitched the yeast the wort temperature was 83.5F, I couldn't lower it any more, and I feared that the yeast will start to die out because it was in water for some 37-38 minutes already. After I pitched yeast I brought the fermenter out, and left it until the temperature lowered to 77F and than brought it back in.
    The problem is some 24 hours passed and there are no bubbles in the airlock. What should I do? Oh, and there's another thing, the fermenter is the bucket type thing, so I am somewhat afraid that the lid is not completely airthight.
    Did I mess it up? What should I do?
    Sorry for the lengthy post. :grin:
     
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  2. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    Welcome to the BA site, Stefan. I'm going to report this thread and ask that it be moved to the homebrewing forum where it will get the correct audience for replies.

    For now, I suggest that you sit tight and give us an update tomorrow as to whether you have observed the start of fermentation. Yeast health and other factors can cause fermentation to be slow starting, and 48 hours or longer is common.
     
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  3. Shanex

    Shanex Grand Pooh-Bah (4,960) Dec 10, 2015 France
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    Just moved to Homebrewing so you get the audience to answer your questions.
     
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  4. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    Sooooo you boiled the contents of the can of extract correct? No need to sanitize anything on the boil side of things, the boil does that for ya!
     
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  5. Eggman20

    Eggman20 Crusader (433) Feb 14, 2017 Minnesota

    Did you boil and add any hops? As @SFACRKnight said you don't need to worry about sanitation pre-boil as any microbes that would ruin your beer will not survive the boil. Everything that touches your beer after cooling will need to be sanitized.

    Like said above I wouldn't worry about seeing bubbles or not. You likely don't have a perfect seal on your bucket or its just taking a little extra time to get going.

    If you're not able to control fermentation temps you may want to look into trying some kveik yeast. I haven't used it yet but its said to ferment beers between 70-90 with no ill effects. Not sure US-05 will handle temps in the high 70s too well.
     
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  6. telejunkie

    telejunkie Savant (1,107) Sep 14, 2007 Vermont

    i'll just throw it out there...next time, don't bother re-hydrating the yeast, just pitch it right into the cooled wort. What say you @JackHorzempa?
    Keep your eye on it, and don't fret if things don't go exactly as planned. You're not curing cancer, just makin some beer and everyone makes mistakes before they dial in their process. Good luck with it!
     
  7. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    I think the Coopers kit extracts are pre-hopped. Yum.
     
  8. Eggman20

    Eggman20 Crusader (433) Feb 14, 2017 Minnesota

    Looks like you are right. Never used those so I always forget they exist. Can't imagine how that would taste but for a first try I could see someone doing that.
     
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  9. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I say: read all about it (in September?).

    Cheers!
     
  10. Stefan89

    Stefan89 Initiate (0) May 24, 2019

    Thank you all for answers!
    The airlock is still not showing any activity, it seems I'll have to wait more.
    Also I'd like to point out that I didn't boil the extract, I heated it up to 167-8f for a couple of minutes, the extract didn't smell hoppy to me. I was planning to dry hop it with some cascade on the 4th day of the fermentation. If fermentation occurs that is. :grin:
    Oh, and I forgot to mention one thing, I added 2 pounds of dextrose to the extract, because that's what was recommended to me by the seller.
     
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  11. NeroFiddled

    NeroFiddled Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,276) Jul 8, 2002 Pennsylvania
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    Some dried yeast need the re-hydration step because they can't just take up water from the wort. They'll give off phenols without rehydration.

    Creamy yeast, BTW, is all you need. It shouldn't be active.

    If you can't tighten the lid, and you don't see any activity in the airlock in the next day, pull the lid off and take a look. If it's foamy on top it's fermenting. If not, pitch more yeast.
     
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  12. NeroFiddled

    NeroFiddled Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,276) Jul 8, 2002 Pennsylvania
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    I think this is truly a case for, what was it Papazian said, relax and drink your face off?

    I think this beer will turn out fine for what it is, which is an extract beer. It's a start.
     
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  13. Stefan89

    Stefan89 Initiate (0) May 24, 2019

    Thanks a lot, I needed a reminder why I'm doing this! :grin:
    I am a bit worried tho, 'cause I'm pretty broke, so I wouldn't like to ruin this beer.
     
  14. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    For your next batch I would strongly recommend that you not use dextrose but only use malt extract. The concept of using a combination of malt extract and sugar (dextrose) is something that was suggested decades ago primarily as a cost reducing measure. An all malt extract beer will be a higher quality product.

    Cheers!
     
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  15. NeroFiddled

    NeroFiddled Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,276) Jul 8, 2002 Pennsylvania
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    Yep, I understand that, even when I started homebrewing back in '91 (?) it was an expense.

    If worse comes to worse though you can try to distill it. That'll only cost you about a grand in new equipment! :flushed:
     
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  16. Stefan89

    Stefan89 Initiate (0) May 24, 2019

    @NeroFiddled Funny thing is that I have distilling equipment at my grandpa's :grin:
     
  17. Stefan89

    Stefan89 Initiate (0) May 24, 2019

    Here's the latest news:grin:! On friday, the smell around the fermenter started being yeasty (pleasently yeasty), but still no bubbles in the airlock. The one more thing I probably messed up is that the airlock was about 75% full.
    As someone suggested, I opened up the fermenter last night, to see what is going on. The wort or the beer:rolling_eyes: smelled pleasently yeasty and had a very, very small amount of foam. The lid had some condensed water on it, and there seemed to be a bit of malt above the level of the liquid.
    Tell me, what should I do? Should I pitch more yeast?
     
  18. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    Do you have a hydrometer? You should use one to help evaluate whether fermentation is finished.
     
  19. Stefan89

    Stefan89 Initiate (0) May 24, 2019

    @pweis909 I don't have a hydrometer, that makes the whole deal trickier, because I expected that I'll be able to know when the fermentation is over by the lack of bubbles in the airlock.
    The air around the fermenter still smells yeasty, the temperature of the fermenter is maybe 33F warmer than the room temperature, if that helps.
     
  20. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Lack of bubbles in the airlock don't necessarily tell you that fermentation is over. Is there by any chance a ring of crud just above the top of the wort/beer?

    Umm... 3F maybe?
     
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