When a store slams a brewer on social media

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by ypsifly, May 31, 2019.

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  1. ypsifly

    ypsifly Initiate (0) Sep 22, 2004 Michigan

    Found this on a store's FB page in regards to them getting shut out on NH Triple Mash:

    "Due to poor business practices on behalf of New Holland brewing company we will be suspending all orders from them until they figure out how to support the stores that help them grow to where they are today...
    If you’re going to advertise a release and get everybody pumped up you should at least give a small opportunity to your customers so we don’t have to field 100 phone calls without receiving any product. (Triple mash)
    The struggle is real for independent retailers."

    I deal with the same distributor for NH as they do and I know some of the behind the scenes stuff that goes on with this distributor, but I'm wondering what everyone's thoughts are when they see something like this posted by a retailer.
     
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  2. BBThunderbolt

    BBThunderbolt Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,846) Sep 24, 2007 Kiribati
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    It's good to shine a light into the shadows.
     
  3. Glider

    Glider Savant (1,182) Nov 15, 2004 Massachusetts
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    I would have thought allocations would be up to the distributor. Unless the retailer is blaming NH for simply not brewing enough of a hyped beer. Either way it sounds pretty weak and as a customer I wouldn’t want to hear that. Distributors already have a terrible rep, so no big surprise if one was doing something shady.
     
  4. Thirst_trappist

    Thirst_trappist Maven (1,420) Jan 18, 2016 Florida
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    Let's hear the behind the scenes stuff....
     
  5. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    New Holland created a series of release events for this beer at their locations.

    I am not commenting on the specifics of the case in the OP (or siding with anybody related to it), but generally speaking:

    It feels like many beer fans today have embraced the current taproom and brewery release model with zealotry. It's important that we don't turn a blind eye to how it has impacted bars and retail stores.

    That's probably not going to be a popular position around here from folks who only see the upsides to the taproom scene... or don't care if anything outside of that mini-ecosystem is threatened. It's clear that the retailer's post in the OP is related to this even if it's just indirectly.
     
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  6. scream

    scream Initiate (0) Dec 6, 2014 Wisconsin
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    Did any of the mentioned distributor's accts. get any ? Did any distributors get any ? This is all unclear.
     
  7. VoxRationis

    VoxRationis Initiate (0) Dec 11, 2016 New York
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    "Sunlight is said to be the best of disinfectants." Louis D. Brandeis
     
  8. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Did you obtain an allocation of NH Triple Mash?

    Cheers!
     
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  9. AZBeerDude72

    AZBeerDude72 Initiate (0) Jun 10, 2016 Arizona

    Not sure how I feel about this. Sounds like they have carried other NH products and wanted to also get a hold of this release of which it did not happen. Sounds like they are pissed over it but with that said could they not have dealt with NH directly? I am not sure I like this open shaming thing going on. I come from a world where you deal directly with your business affiliates and keep it professional, not airing out your issues publicly. I am guessing they made this move in order to cull any negative blow-back from consumers towards them. I think it could have been done better.
    Also the store most certainly will not see any new items coming their way and could hurt relations with other breweries who may just walk now. Companies don't like dealing with folks who do this stuff.
     
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  10. HouseofWortship

    HouseofWortship Pooh-Bah (2,735) May 3, 2016 Illinois
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    If I had a store being bombarded with customer calls for a beer they didn't give me you can be sure I would have the brewery's phone number handy and transferring people to the "ordering department".
     
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  11. ypsifly

    ypsifly Initiate (0) Sep 22, 2004 Michigan

    Sure did.
     
  12. ypsifly

    ypsifly Initiate (0) Sep 22, 2004 Michigan

    60 cases left the brewery for distro. The distributor for my area got 15. I always make sure to carry all NH beers and maintain a good relationship with the brewery so I don't have to worry about getting shut out on the limited stuff.
     
  13. FatBoyGotSwagger

    FatBoyGotSwagger Grand Pooh-Bah (3,999) Apr 4, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    I get that the triple mash is all the rage right now but don't you have at least a handful of other quality BA Stouts in stock right now?

    The store should of just called the distributor, cursed them out and stopped ordering NH and another brand or two from their portfolio and never said a word on social media.
     
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  14. ypsifly

    ypsifly Initiate (0) Sep 22, 2004 Michigan


    That's the best way to handle it, IMHO. Find something like what the customer wants and go from there. The problem is that so many people go into a store looking for that one beer and if you didn't get any, your store now sucks. There is an unfortunate "All or Nothing" mentality held by a lot of people in the beer scene these days. I found out about this whole thing on FB where someone in a local group was saying this store is slipping because they missed out on a big release, then another member of the group posted this store's reaction.

    When I first started this job I got jerked around by some of the distributors and came really close to ranting online and calling people out but I found other ways to deal with it. Quietly spending less money each week takes a little while but they catch on.
     
  15. BBThunderbolt

    BBThunderbolt Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,846) Sep 24, 2007 Kiribati
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    It's possible (unlikely, but possible) that the brewery doesn't know about the shady shit. Now they for sure do.

    Would it be better if pay-for-play had not become common knowledge, and stayed behind the scenes? Stuff like this contributes to downward sales for the brewery. Once accounts stop placing orders, sales slip.
     
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  16. ypsifly

    ypsifly Initiate (0) Sep 22, 2004 Michigan


    Everybody is aware of the distributor's shady practices and have been for years. MI's version of 3 Tiers heavily favors the distributors to the point that once a distro truck leaves a brewery loaded with product the brewery is now basically locked into a lifetime contract with that distributor and it is virtually impossible to break that contract unless the brewery is willing to cease sales in the entire state for one year before being able to shop for a new distributor. We almost lost Stone for a year because of this same distributor. Stone stayed because they were going through an expansion and couldn't afford to lose the sales.
     
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  17. Bitterbill

    Bitterbill Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,036) Sep 14, 2002 Wyoming
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    That is surely not an action that I would take as a retailer. My buddy at Liquor Shed is responsible for bringing in breweries into Casper and Wyoming in general by respectful persistence. That attitude has brought in some amazing beers from amazing breweries.
     
  18. Beer_Stan

    Beer_Stan Initiate (0) Mar 15, 2014 California
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    As someone like @ypsifly who deals with "the game" often, I've seen my fair share of allocations shell games with hyped beer. My and other stores in the area have pretty much began networking within ourselves to help one another and once we find out who got the hype beer we pretty much funnel customers to each others stores. Rivals as we may be, technically, we are all just businesses trying to survive and we share the same customers anyway so theres no sense in hurting each other's businesses by trash talking one another on social media. Same goes for certain breweries. We don't carry Golden Road or Ballast Point at my store but I didn't try to create a media blitz as to why. I just send someone to one of the many other stores in the area that does.
     
  19. denver10

    denver10 Grand Pooh-Bah (4,155) Nov 17, 2010 New Mexico
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    I get why the store is pissed and if I was a customer of that store I'd appreciate that post too, if only because I would know not to throw my negative energy towards the store. If the problem here lay with the distributor rather than brewery, I suppose it was a little misdirected but maybe also intentional, as it would seem doubtful the distributor is going to amend this situation in any way...but perhaps New Holland will, as their brand is the visible one with more to lose?
     
  20. Buckeye55

    Buckeye55 Pooh-Bah (2,890) Jan 11, 2019 North Carolina
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    I have no insight whatsoever into the brewing and distribution industry, but from a purely business aspect I would think that particular store/person made a serious mistake. I would think that other brewers would not look at this in a positive manner, let alone NH. Doesn't give your current or perspective business partners confidence in someone who handles things in this manner. Now possibly he/she had tried to handle this behind the scenes first, which I'm guessing he/she did and was not satisfied with the outcome and decided to go public.

    Sorry for the novel, but I have a question. I have seen mention of the 3 tier system (I believe we have it here in NC). What is it and how does it affect distribution?
    Thank you
     
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