What beer should I buy?

Discussion in 'South Atlantic' started by grapesandgrainstore, Jun 24, 2019.

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  1. grapesandgrainstore

    grapesandgrainstore Initiate (0) Jun 24, 2019 Georgia

    Hi guys! We're opening our first wine and spirits store in Johns Creek, GA in August and we're doing the initial buying in less than a month. Salesmen will have deals and they may all sound great but after reading one of the thread about beer sales declining, I'm afraid that if I took the biggest deals they may not move as fast before they go out of date. I'm curious as to what beers or style of beers I should focus on in order to make every beer fans happy when they walk out our doors. I've been in the industry for over a decade but I never had to experience the beer buying portion of it. I could ask around but I figured why not get some feedback/recommendations from the experts here in BA.
     
  2. Shanex

    Shanex Grand Pooh-Bah (4,960) Dec 10, 2015 France
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    Like right now or within a few weeks?

    I’d recommend you purchase a few Pilsners, or decent lagers. Seeing as Georgia gets real hot in summer.

    Are NEIPA popular in the South? They are popular by and large in the rest of the country so it might be worth considering.
     
  3. chipawayboy

    chipawayboy Pooh-Bah (2,181) Oct 26, 2007 Massachusetts
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    Wine and spirits store? Honestly - I buy 90% of my beers direct from breweries - have been for the last couple of years. I make occasional exceptions for a half dozen breweries. Is it too late for you to change your business plan to a brewery ?
     
  4. nc41

    nc41 Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    I’d check out the competition, and I’d not only look at what they have on the shelf but I’d turn over cans and check the dates. It’s a place to start anyway, but it’s summer so Pils and Lagers are great, ipas are the most popular style out there. With ipas there’s a ton of competition, but you'll have competition from other retailers too, so what’ll set you apart? The market here has significantly changed in the last two years or so, more locals, less beers from Cali and out of state altogether, reduced national brewery influence. A very turbulent market here. Best of luck to you, product vigilance is your best friend and a great relationship with your distributors, let them know your customers date check beers and so will you at delivery time.
     
  5. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    Probably better than half of your inventory should be local/Georgia brews, and the rest can be Bell's Two Hearted. :wink: How's that for a recommendation for me to be supporting my local? :grin: (No, I don't work for Bell's.)
     
  6. JA_26

    JA_26 Initiate (0) Feb 4, 2019 Pennsylvania
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    I'm not in Georgia, but the beer stores in my neck of the woods that seem to be doing well generally have an aisle or three (plus a big wall cooler) with the national macro brews (and typically Yuengling in those same aisles) , another aisle for imports, and two or three aisles for U.S. craft, often organized by region. Lots of local craft as well as West Coast and Midwest stuff, and another big cooler for 4-packs of the harder to find/more expensive craft. A lot of the beer stores around here also have growler fill stations offering 6-10 mostly local or regional brews.
     
  7. FBarber

    FBarber Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,325) Mar 5, 2016 Illinois
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    I have no experience with buying for a liquor store, but generally speaking these were the thoughts that came to mind:
    • I'd buy a good selection of styles - have one or two *good* examples of pretty much any style - the more popular the style the bigger selection you'll want to have.
    • Stock at least some imports, even if its not a huge selection.
    • Showcase local stuff as much as possible - you can even do this by arranging the store by region.
    • Get some accessible craft variety packs (like the SN variety packs) and keep them in a cooler.
    • If you're worried about stock moving - maybe allow people to buy singles so they don't have to commit. Most people are willing to pay a slight uncharge on a single bottle in exchange for the freedom to buy just a single or two.
    Whatever you buy, be knowledgeable about it. Nothing gets me to try something Ive never had before quite as much as a beer person I trust being able to articulate why I'd want to try the beer. Good luck!
     
  8. matthewp

    matthewp Pundit (856) Feb 27, 2015 Massachusetts
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    First piece of advice, don't ask for advice here on what will sell. I don't believe the bulk of beer is being bought by people that are represented on these forums. That being said there are some people who work or run stores that sell beer on here so if they respond then you might get some great advice, otherwise you'll probably get non representative answers. Given that you are running a store that is mostly focused on wine and spirits you probably won't be getting a lot of beer geeks in (e.g. not your BA crowd).

    From what I've read people have given good information but I know I probably wouldn't be a regular in a store that was not directly focused on craft beer when there are so many alternatives or breweries to go directly to.
     
  9. ManBearPat

    ManBearPat Pooh-Bah (1,813) Dec 2, 2014 Colorado
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    Have you seen the ‘Enjoy By..’ thread?

    Tons of experts telling everyone about retailers and distribution alongside a comment or two about the beer. This thread seems a little redundant after that one
     
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  10. FBarber

    FBarber Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,325) Mar 5, 2016 Illinois
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    Honestly it depends on where in Georgia @grapesandgrainstore is located - I travel quite a bit in more rural areas and a lot of times the more "upscale" wine and spirits store is the only place thats going to have a decent craft beer selection.
     
  11. papposilenus

    papposilenus Grand Pooh-Bah (3,232) Jun 21, 2014 New Hampshire
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    This.

    That said... here's my advice: DON'T stock your shelves 80%+ with IPA's which are all virtually identical. IPA's sell like hotcakes and a disproportionate portion of your inventory will end up being IPA's, if not right away then within a few months when you realize that that's the biggest selling craft beer. Take the time to identify the various sub-styles and get a good mix. Have a knowledgeable friend help you if necessary.
     
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  12. nc41

    nc41 Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    There’s so much competition here, I’d be extremely reluctant on the craft beer side of this. With places like Total Wine here, actually two, they offer a lot. We’re a state controlled liquor state, so there’s no spirits involved, but you can’t beat TW prices on wine, and selling AALs I’m sure pays their pills, craft is a pain in the ass for them I’m sure. Asking about beers on this site is far different than asking the paying mainstream what they buy. If the craft beer crowd is a few percent in numbers, perhaps looking at the other 97% of beer buyers is a safer bet? There’s a ton of competition out there and if your the cheapest out there for AALs there’s no reason to think you won’t have success. I’d look at the craft side as bonus money and if you listen to us you’ll have 1000 beers on the shelf. I think some study and prudent buying might be in order, you’d hate to stock beers that don't sell, which is why I mentioned checking not only what but how old. If your seeing 5-6 month old ipas routinely as an example it’s a pretty good indication they don’t turn quickly.
     
  13. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    Go on a shopping trip to some places that are in a similar market area to the one where you will be located. Check dates, look for out of code beer on the shelves. Avoid those when purchasing for your market. Avoid stocking brands that have no date.
     
  14. nc41

    nc41 Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    Such a volatile craft beer market, national brews are sometimes slow to sell, local beers are mostly of unknown quality, and at higher prices than those national brews. Quite a challenge with a start up, and I agree on the close to out of date beers and those over date, I’d avoid anything close to that like the plague. They’re in that position for a reason... they don’t sell.
     
  15. Ranbot

    Ranbot Pooh-Bah (2,463) Nov 27, 2006 Pennsylvania
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    If the shelves of stores around me are any indication then...Roughly 40% IPAs, 20% lagers, 20% stouts, 10% [premium] imports, 10% everything else (+/- 5% with seasonal changes). The IPAs and lagers lean heavily towards more local brewers. Keep in mind that is only the "craft and imports" sections of the store, about 50% of store is big national American/Mexican/Euro brands (e.g. Bud, Miller, Coors, Heineken, Corona, Becks, Peroni, Molson, etc.), which indicates how true this statement from @matthewp is...
    So, feel free to ignore my advice! :stuck_out_tongue:

    Good luck!
     
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  16. mkh012

    mkh012 Pooh-Bah (1,787) May 7, 2015 Colorado
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    Just don't let your IPAs sit for 6+ months like most stores seem to.
     
  17. ManBearPat

    ManBearPat Pooh-Bah (1,813) Dec 2, 2014 Colorado
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    For the love of god, don’t put anything on the shelf that’s anywhere near out of date unless you want these guys to never shop there
     
  18. Bitterbill

    Bitterbill Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,036) Sep 14, 2002 Wyoming
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    Or the retailer bought way too much to make the shelves look "pretty".

    I'd advise the OP to not fall into THAT trap.
     
  19. AZBeerDude72

    AZBeerDude72 Initiate (0) Jun 10, 2016 Arizona

    I am not being mean in any way but if you opening a store and have no idea what to buy that means your not ready to open a store? If you have been in the industry for 10 years you should be an expert on this by now otherwise your not ready for this and need more time to educate before you invest money. Good luck!
    Cheers
     
  20. nc41

    nc41 Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    lol. Absolutely right, who wants to buy old beer? Makes no sense to me , and it’s the quickest way I can think of to help kill your business , unless you decide to split to singles.
     
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