First timer: how to brew in 14 days or less?

Discussion in 'Homebrewing' started by acannell, Jul 15, 2019.

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  1. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    Although Wisconsin is known for badgers, we have some very thirsty otters, too. And yes, beer is often assumed to be god here.
     
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  2. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    Putting the bottles in the fridge after conditioning will speed the clarifying process, but I have a feeling that you're going to be drinking these bottles fairly quickly which means no time to get very clear. Be gentle with the bottles to minimize disturbance of what sediment is there when pouring the beer or you'll be drinking murky beer with what I call a muted chalky taste from the sediment.
     
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  3. HerbMeowing

    HerbMeowing Maven (1,295) Nov 10, 2010 Virginia
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    Always wondered how and why the 5G batch-size become the standard for home brewers.
    Re-imagined demijohns ... perhaps?

    I'll also suggest the equipment commitment to produce 5Gs discourages some potential disciples from getting into the sport.
     
  4. billandsuz

    billandsuz Pooh-Bah (2,097) Sep 1, 2004 New York
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    You can thank Papazian for that.
    Books prior to TNCJOHB were all over the map with recipes and standards. And mostly sucked. Papazian introduced scalability to the hobby. For example anyone remember HBU's?

    With Papazians recipes based on 5 gallon batches along with his recipe calculators homebrewing became standardized. This all in a time without home computing much less the programs to make it happen.

    Nobody was selling brew buckets but 5 gallon HDPE was available. Glass carboys have been around forever and those were handy too. All the needed equipment had to be re-purposed.

    Cheers.
     
  5. acannell

    acannell Initiate (0) Dec 16, 2017 California

    OPENED FIRST BOTTLE

    This would be approximately 4 days and 19 hours of bottling time.

    Bottle cooled to about 42F

    Slight hiss on taking cap off.

    Poured with 1 finger head!!

    First taste..plenty of carbonation. Tastes like a slightly higher quality pale ale than the store bought ones I have in cans. Good bitterness. Standard issue hops aroma/flavors, a little more yeasty/fruitier/richer than store bought average pale ale. Unfortunately the more complicated mangoy tropical aromas and flavors are no longer ridiculously strong like they were in the fermenter, but next time maybe I can dry hop.

    The beer is fantastic and in my opinion they are all ready to drink right now. But I will let them bottle condition for another few days. No guarantee I wont sneak another one though.

    I detect no off flavors and nothing out of the ordinary. I would prefer a more complex set of flavors, but comparing this to other pale ales, I think it is what its supposed to be. Next time I think I need to do a dry hopped IPA that really focuses on complicated flavors because thats what I like.

    This beer I made seems to have more alcohol than I expected..probably 7%? (total guess based on buzz alone)...I am definitely feeling it. I didnt taste it at all though.

    So 4 days primary ferment and about 5 days bottle conditioning seems to have worked!

    Thanks for all the help!!

    Video of first bottle opened:

     
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  6. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    Two comments:
    1. Watch to see if the hop flavor improves with each beer. There is a school of thought that hop flavors need time to overcome the 'green-ness' of the beer, although I have a feeling that your beers will have been consumed before the conditioning time can have a real effect. Usually around three weeks is ideal.
    2. In the video it was too hard to see if you poured any sediment into your mug, but I usually leave the last ounce in the bottle so I don't get the muted flavor that can come from the sediment.

    Lastly, lose the blasted frosted mug. :wink: A beer that is too cold (and watered down with that little bit of melted frost) won't give you its peak flavor.
     
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  7. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    A frosted mug yields lots of nucleation points for the CO2 to come out of solution. Makes it 'look' like it is more carbonated.

    Time in the bottle will indeed yield an improved beer.

    Cheers!
     
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  8. acannell

    acannell Initiate (0) Dec 16, 2017 California

    I will probably only have a couple more and then the rest will condition longer, at least 2 weeks bottle time. I didn't taste any greenness, it literally tasted just like the pale ale I bought at the store, only with a bit more hop richness and I think more alcohol (based on effect).

    But yes I know that frosted mug is limiting the flavors..but wow though what a guzzle that was

    Next one I will do in a room temp tulip

    As far as sediment, all the bottles have a little thin white layer on the bottom, but it doesnt seem easily disturbed. It was still there after I poured and I had to work to rinse it out of the bottle.

    Next time I will get some of that to see what it tastes like cuz now I'm curious
     
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  9. acannell

    acannell Initiate (0) Dec 16, 2017 California

    It did taste perfectly carbonated, I couldn't tell the difference between it and the pale ale I had last night from a can in that respect. But maybe when I try it in a warm tulip I will notice a difference.

    The hiss when I popped the cap seemed right inline with what I would expect from a typical beer
     
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  10. acannell

    acannell Initiate (0) Dec 16, 2017 California

    Also the head stuck around even when the beer was gone, like whipped cream. A good finger maybe 2 at the start (see vid). Stuck to the glass too.

    Can there be a head without enough carbonation?
     
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  11. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    You ended up using the malts from the Gose kit, right? That included some wheat which I think I've read somewhere that it tends to give a better head than barley, and as @JackHorzempa pointed out your icy mug provided nucleation points to further enhance the head. But I think you're probably close to full carbonation.
     
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  12. acannell

    acannell Initiate (0) Dec 16, 2017 California

    Yep thats right the gose grain bag. The room temp tulip will yield some more beer science data as well as some more days in the bottle.
     
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  13. acannell

    acannell Initiate (0) Dec 16, 2017 California

    Tonight will be 7 days of bottle time

    Yesterday poured into a tulip but sorry it was frosty haha! Can't resist its 106F here. So I guess it doesnt really say anything. Still had a 2 finger head and seemed to have more carbonation based on a louder bottle hiss.

    Today, went to the homebrewing shop! And I took a bottle of the beer for the owner of the shop to analyze. (This is not the shop I got the questionable advice from earlier).

    He poured it into a thin plastic tumbler and it had maybe a 1 finger head on his and none on mine. The smells though! Way more tropical and fruity, it all came back. Was nice to drink too. Carbonation was still there no problem.

    He said it was pretty good and had plenty of carbonation and didn't seem to be infected. His main comment was that it had alot of astringency. Thats the "infinite bitterness" I tasted pre-bottling and still taste. Its not the hops he said, and now that makes sense to me. He thinks it was because something didn't go right in the mashing/sparging. Probably wrong temperature. That seems very plausible to me as the temperature control was a bit unstable and I wasn't sure when it was boiling so things got a little wacky. I actually like the astringency, but can see how it would be a fault.

    He thinks its up to me to stop bottle conditioning and just put it in the 40F fridge. The carbonation is there and there arent really any off flavors so now its just about whatever aging improvements there may be. I will keep them in the 70F fridge and have maybe 1 a day, pre-chilling it to 45F to drink on demand.

    I have named this beer "Too Soon Pale Ale"

    SO. For the next batch, he made me up a recipe for 1 gallon. This time it will be a hazy fruity IPA (which I requested). I also said I wanted to try dry hopping. Heres the recipe he made up. I bought all the ingredients:

    2# Cali Select 2 row malted barley. Shooting for 6 to 7% ABV
    1/4# Carafoam (for mouthfeel/body)
    1/2# Flaked oats
    1/2# Flaked wheat

    Yeast: Wyeast london ale III (for haziness/fruityness)

    1 oz (1/4 oz each) of Citra, Amarillo, Mosaic, Galaxy at FLAME OFF
    1/4 oz citra + 1/4 oz galaxy @ day 4 of fermentation (DRY HOP)

    (Yep! All hops at flameout and dry hopped..no boiled hops!)

    Mash @ 150F ~ 1 Gallon water
    Strike water 160F
    Sparge water 170F

    I bought a new hydrometer. He said that digital thermometers aren't accurate but I am going to use mine anyway. I will test it against my thermocouple setup to confirm its accuracy first.

    I also bought some Irish Moss just for fun

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  14. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    Have fun, but don't use the Irish Moss on this beer. :slight_smile:
     
  15. acannell

    acannell Initiate (0) Dec 16, 2017 California

    Yep yep..just bought it because he had lots of goodies on the shelf and it was cheap.

    On this batch I will be doing proper OG and FG measurements

    Can I measure tap water minerals properly using pool test strips?
     
  16. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    (Wow!)
    Sorry, had to.

    Was he talking about a particular digital thermometer model, or in general? If the latter, I think you have found another LHBS with questionable advice.

    No. You can probably measure total hardness, but if you want to know the concentrations of all the important brewing ions, you can see if you can get a water report from your water provider (which may or may not report the ions you need), buy an expensive home test kit, or pop $40 or so for an analysis from someone like Ward Lab.
     
  17. Push_the_limits

    Push_the_limits Initiate (0) Feb 8, 2018 Antarctica

    I didn't know anyone had a problem with a frosty mug. A thick, heavy, frosty mug keeps the beer colder longer. The idea about the nucleation sites is good rational thinking, but it just does not translate to a compromised beer experience. I mean, let's not be ridiculous here. This is not a wine forum.
     
  18. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Most beer styles are at their best at temperatures slightly above or well above 40F. Ice cold temps mute flavor.
     
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  19. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    Sez the guy from Antarctica. :wink:

    I agree that there is some practicality with a frozen or chilled mug/glass, but mostly for near-tasteless beers that you like to drink near-frozen like Light American Lagers on a hot day when you're trying to cool off. I like to get the most taste out my beers, so a natural warm-up in non-chilled glassware, even if the beer gets to room temp, and even if it's an IPA. But I also can agree that's all personal preference.
     
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  20. Push_the_limits

    Push_the_limits Initiate (0) Feb 8, 2018 Antarctica

    Haha, good catch!

    Warmer beers do have a fuller flavor, and a frosty mug is not for all beers. Sorry if that come on too strong.
     
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