Potential Bad Trader

Discussion in 'Bad Traders' started by David55555, Aug 9, 2019.

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  1. rozzom

    rozzom Pooh-Bah (2,620) Jan 22, 2011 New York
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    This is why there needs to be more degrees/granularity in the feedback system. IMO "BT" deserves neither good nor neutral, but something in between
     
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  2. DJ_Shazam

    DJ_Shazam Devotee (386) Jan 16, 2018 Canada (ON)
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    This absolutely warrants Neutral feedback; it exists for a reason.

    You got all the agreed upon bottles on time, so Bad feedback is obviously out of the question. But it takes literally two minutes to send someone the message “Shipped your box out. Tracking is ___”. Doesn’t matter how busy your life is, you can do that while you’re taking a shit on the toilet. The fact that this individual couldn’t be bothered to spend those two minutes on an integral part of trading (proper communication) seems completely disrespectful in my opinion.

    If the trader has done something that makes you not want to trade with them in the future, then it wasn’t a good trade. Neutral feedback, man.
     
  3. readyski

    readyski Pooh-Bah (1,557) Jun 4, 2005 California
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    Kinda surprised the "other party" hasn't chimed in to set the record straight.
     
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  4. David55555

    David55555 Initiate (0) Jan 20, 2017 Texas
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    Well the other party was never tagged in this thread. She also hasn't read my messages, so she might be completely unaware of this thread. Last time she read my message(s) was 8/07.
     
  5. Sabtos

    Sabtos Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,920) Dec 15, 2015 Ohio
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    That...is weird af.

    Like...they just expected your shit to arrive, didn't give af if theirs arrived, and yeah whatevs...
     
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  6. Shanex

    Shanex Grand Pooh-Bah (4,960) Dec 10, 2015 France
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    It’s very odd but it’s true of many of these threads here. At this point we can only speculate on whatever happened to her.. still waiting and hoping that the OP hear from her someday. I read many threads here too and rarely chimed in but if in her mind she was thinking « we trade some beers and then you just leave me alone »... IDK. Back in my days we told each others « Thank you ».
     
  7. Dactrius

    Dactrius Pooh-Bah (2,523) Apr 23, 2012 Caribbean Netherlands
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    One thing that is important to me, is that in not communicating she never said that she received the beers. The trade is not complete in my opinion until both parties have indicated that things arrived safely and correctly. I personally don't drink anything I receive until I'm sure everything made it safe and sound. Obviously if you have multiples of what you sent available you can be easier going about that but in general, better safe than sorry.

    This certainly seems like a long enough time that the OP can go ahead and drink the beers, but how long do you wait if someone goes quiet? If she came back a few days after she received them and apologized for the slow response but said one of the bottles leaked, are you not on the hook anymore to replace it or send her beers back? How long do you have to wait?
     
  8. John_M

    John_M Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,849) Oct 25, 2003 Washington
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    IMHO, this is all on her. The OP indicated the beer had been delivered to her, which I assume he was able to verify by the tracking number. Obviously, it would have been helpful if she had actually communicated with the OP and told him everything arrived safe and sound, but for whatever reason she didn't do that.

    At this point I would assume she would have said something if there was any sort of problem, or she never would have sent the OP the promised beer (as it appears she didn't ship until well after his package had already arrived). The fact she did finally ship his box, with no further commentary on her part, would lead me to infer that everything must have arrived safely on her end.

    At this point, I'm not sure what else the OP can do in this case. If she did later tell the OP there was some problem with the shipment he sent her, I would assume his first question would be "if that's the case, why did you wait till now to tell me about it, and how come you didn't respond to any of my earlier communication attempts, which would have been the perfect time to tell me about this problem?"
     
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  9. Dactrius

    Dactrius Pooh-Bah (2,523) Apr 23, 2012 Caribbean Netherlands
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    To be clear, I agree that he's fine in this case to drink the beer. I should've said that "a trade is not complete" and not worded it so it seemed like I was applying it to this particular trade. It's been plenty long in my opinion, and I missed that she received before sending out.

    I've just had too many frustrations over the years where somebody takes forever for someone to tell me that my shipment arrived safe and sound. It's not like I'm going thirsty being unable to drink it but sometimes there is an occasion right away I'd like to pop a bottle.
     
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  10. FBarber

    FBarber Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,325) Mar 5, 2016 Illinois
    Mod Team BA4LYFE Society Pooh-Bah Trader

    Ok, Ive got a question here. maybe @dmbforever, @Shanex, or @John_M can weigh in with a bit more authority.

    So I just checked @David55555 's profile and he still has 3 open trades - one of which I'm assuming is the trade that is the subject of this thread. Assuming it is, if John leaves feedback for the other party, but the other party never leaves feedback, the feedback is deleted after 180 days, right?

    Now, if Im understanding it correctly, since the new feedback score calculation went into effect, the unnamed other party would get dinged in her reputation score for failing to leave feedback, correct?

    But if she leaves feedback and John left her neutral feedback, would that impact her feedback score at all?
     
  11. David55555

    David55555 Initiate (0) Jan 20, 2017 Texas
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    Still as of this moment haven't left any feedback on my end. I messaged the other party to see if they wanted to give an explanation of what happened. Have not heard a response yet. So, assuming this is it, I should be leaving appropriate feedback soon.
     
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  12. John_M

    John_M Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,849) Oct 25, 2003 Washington
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    Anyone think of a reason to keep this thread open any longer? There hasn't been any further commentary in more than a week now.

    Doesn't sound like the OP is likely to ever hear anything further from his trading partner.
     
  13. David55555

    David55555 Initiate (0) Jan 20, 2017 Texas
    Trader

    Sent her a final message earlier this week that that would be the last time I tried reaching out to her to hear her out. I did see that she was active several times this week. But she has not reached out. As of today, I have left appropriate feedback.
     
  14. Shanex

    Shanex Grand Pooh-Bah (4,960) Dec 10, 2015 France
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    If @John_M is cool with it and as he said, I doubt there’s a reason to keep the thread going on. OP got his beers, the trader in question got MIA for no reason, appropriate feedback has been left.

    Strange case as often, these threads never fails to surprise us. While it wasn’t a bad trader per se case, it surely was intriguing. For every traders reading this, telling your trading partner « I got your beers, many thanks » isn’t too much to ask.

    Cheers.
     
  15. John_M

    John_M Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,849) Oct 25, 2003 Washington
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    Couldn't agree more, and yet over and over again, we see examples of traders who don't extend this simple courtesy. Definitely agree it's time to close this thread down. Thanks @Shanex
     
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