Trade Value Thread (2019)

Admittedly I am a self-professed BC fanboy, but the threshold for best is set very high for me, with 13 and 14 (and Presumably King Henry) being the threshold for upper echelon. Always a little bit reticent when people say best, but especially for something like BW where the gold standard is 3rd use BC.

Best is certainly a marked stamp of approval. What makes that beer stand out compared to others? What are your runner ups?

Mostly curious because I am a BW fan, but also never heard of this beer.

 

Let's get into this, I want to know the depths of your psyche!

Thoughts on VSOJ? Trousseau or the other CCB bangers? Aaron? Anabasis? The three thousand Jackie O's takes? Maltvin? Hoppin Frog Naked Evil?!

Rankings nao!

 

This discussion can’t be had without mentioning Fremont.

 

Well shit, this thread disallows post edits even within the time limit!

 

Thanks for reply. Have one more question, if I do trade IGCCS with FOb5, what kind of plus I can expect to get? Can IGCCS be traded with two bottle logic stouts?

 

Glad you asked. I won't necessarily call my claim hyperbole but I'm admittedly not a big barleywine fan. Regardless this was an absolute treat, regardless of style of beer. Never had King Henry but I do think this is a step above vintage BCBW. If I had to pick a 2nd place it would be VSOJ then all other BW i've had.

 

Historically IGCCS used to be a good bit over FO - probably closer to 2x - but this last batch does seem to be going for a little less. I'd still imagine plenty of people would be happy to trade 2 BL bottles for it.

 

This isn't so much a trade value comparison as it is a simple question. The latest P3 Curvature release is trading at about....$75? $100? $150?

 

Please take a look at the first post and revise your question.

 

This isn't so much a trade value comparison as it is a simple question. If I'm looking to trade for a bottle of the most recent Curvature, what's a rough 1 for 1 equivalent? A recent BCBS Rare? Prop? I'm fairly in the dark on it, and refuse to get on facebook for more information.

 

There are rules for a reason....

 

Recent Curvature is just above a prop 18, less than Rare 15. If you are offering those, you may run into a ven diagram issue.

 

Shoot me a PM maybe we can work something out.

 

The point of him telling you to look at the first post is because selling beer is frowned upon here therefore you use VRU to explain value. Based on what I've seen on facebook A prop 18 and maybe a couple cans of hops can get it done. The value is tanking because there are hundreds of people who don't drink beer who are trying to sell 4 bottles each for basically 2 18 props, and failing miserably. They will get sick of holding it and move them eventually.

 

OK, can we talk about the nonsense of not being able to cite cash/secondary values? As far as I can tell, the spirit of this rule is to prevent buying/selling on this site. And that's great -- this site is for trading and sales do not belong here.

But knowing the value of something (in terms of $) is a really useful way to evaluate trades. Most people who answer questions in this thread are basically using information about cash values to give their answers, but they're just not allowed to use the language of $$. So instead of saying "Curvature's value is about 80-90", we have to say some ridiculous thing like "Curvature's value is about .5 the value of a 5-year old really popular Goose Island stout that used to be worth more but is sorta dropping in value because it's old and gets shipped a lot."

This is dumb. Can we please just use the language of $$ in this thread instead of beating around the bush like this?

 

Someone please correct me if I am wrong and sorry for oversimplifying but . . .

Selling beer without the proper liscence/permit is illegal. Isn’t that what the other site was shut down for?

 

I don’t think anyone is suggesting that BA become a hub where users are allowed to buy/sell alcohol.

They’re just suggesting that the site allow discussion of secondary values without using a hilariously thin (and now inaccurate) veil like VRU... which I agree with wholeheartedly (but don’t expect to see a change made).

 

Here’s why I’m strongly against quoting secondary values in this forum:

1) It normalizes the garbage behavior of the profiteers that are ruining beer. What was once a community of sharing has become more and more about profiteering and self interests. Let’s not contribute to that and imply that this sort of behavior is okay.
2) Equal secondary value does not equal a fair trade or a trade that will get done. Try trading NC + FO for a Tilquin Pinot Gris. Never gonna happen.
3) The very idea of calling a $20 beer that a few desperate suckers will shell out a bunch of cash to impress their Instagram followers a “$200 beer” is ludicrous. It’s a $20 beer that’s rare. Nothing more.
4) Giving a secondary value as trade advice is a lazy response. It ignores the idea that the other trader is an actual person looking for beer that may not want your bottles due to Venn diagram issues, style preferences, etc.
5) If people consider a beer’s value from a few sales to be an accepted standard, it promotes other undesirable behavior such as regional collusion, fake sales, and bs hype tactics. How about let’s look at the beer’s taste, brewery reputation, and rarity and not focus on these easily manipulated metrics?

 

This is the advice I was looking for. I have no interest in paying resale for it, just wanted to get an idea of value in a trade. So basically, it's a prop 18? Now, from what I understand, both beers are chocolate bombs, but the Prop 18 is barrel aged, but the Curvature is not. For people who've had both, is the Curvature worth a Prop 18 in your mind?

 

@Leftofthedial, I agree that all those consequences suck. But I don't see how quoting secondary values encourages them. What I'm saying is that we're basically quoting secondary values already in a thread like this, but we're using silly terms like VRUs to make it seem like we're not. If I say that something is a "$200 beer", this doesn't mean I'm encouraging profiteering. It doesn't mean that I personally would pay $200 for it (I wouldn't) or that I think it's cool that people are selling it for $200 (I don't). But it gives us a common metric that everyone understands.