FT: Dark Lord Loadstar ISO: BA Stouts, etc.

Hello - I have a 2019 3F Dark Lord Loadstar - would like to trade for similar value on other barrel-aged stouts. I'm a big fan of Bottle Logic, More, TG, Other Half, Angry Chair, J Wakefield...you get the picture. Would VERY much prefer an in-person trade if possible so that we're not shipping super valuable beer, but can ship if needed (would probably ask we mutually insure our shipments for their market value and just accept monetary reimbursement if there's a loss). Worth mentioning I'd be cool accepting other supplements like cans of fresh hops or other sour beers (I like the usual suspects in sours, too - Cantillon, some of the Jester King stuff, Side Project, Funk Factory) Thanks!

 

Ha, that’s actually pretty clever. Someone suggested referring to them as “cooking sauces.” Not sure the shipping companies would buy that if there were a claim. If there are any suggestions on good methods to ship and not worry so much about how to get everybody whole again in the event of breakage that would be most appreciated.

 

Yeah...Just trying to think of ways in case the beer is mishandled in transit. Has definitely happened to me shipping homebrew to competitions, and it’s frightening to think of a really limited release getting destroyed with no way to come back from that.

 

Sorry not my intention- was trying to find a way to protect large value of irreplaceable beer that no shipping company is going to cover if they break. Maybe calm down slightly and make a suggestion that it’s not a good idea or people might not be comfortable with that? I’m absolutely an honest person and trader. And if I see something on a forum that merits discussion I try to do it with some tact and inquisitiveness.

 

You do have good points, and I'm grateful. I'm not sure where I'm trying to strong arm anyone...I'm just trying to trade some beer and not have it turn into a complete mess of trying to make things right on the possibility the shipment company is careless despite ample packaging (it happens, dude...believe me). I'm just trying to learn as I go, you know? If it's not a good idea, then so be it - I learn, adjust, improve. You are clearly very tenured and active here, so again, thank you for your input. It would just be nice if experienced people tried to help others improve and grow the community in constructive ways rather than flexing and posturing in unfriendly ways. Anyhow, as I'd mentioned originally, hoping to do IP trade and lord willing that'll happen. If this goes to shipping, here's to hoping everything crosses safely in the mail.

 

Right on - thank you for this - I appreciate the examples and the benefit of your experiences. That's both insightful and helpful, and also interesting to add to the canon of shipping stories I've heard (I liked your first one where it sounded like they were basically like "well, despite there being something in this package we don't condone/etc., we obviously obliterated it beyond recognition so our bad..." - very nice that one worked out). I am kind of a small fish, so to speak, in that I've never shipped anything of this value in a trade, hence my reservations and possibly ill-conceived, or at least unorthodox as I'm finding, thought about how to mitigate the possible downfalls. I definitely understand it could seem disingenuous to the spirit of the trade to contemplate a 'plan b' in initial discussions - maybe just better to let the trade proceed without the extra provisions and then in the very sad event something did happen, just do whatever to make it right. And in that vein, I should probably reassess what I'm willing to risk putting in the mail with an understanding that it could go south and that it seems folks generally have to have something of similar acclaim and value to send in the event the initial shipment is ruined. The things we do for beer....

 

Hello - I'm compelled to respond, of course. I do admit: we were lined up to move on to our trade, and my friend who is more knowledgeable than I advised that it was not a good trade (not that I could "get even more of a haul"). So we mutually agreed not to do it. Here was the last message from you in our personal thread:

"I appreciate you getting back to me and being forthcoming. Although I am disappointed I won’t get to try Loadstar, we should all come out of a trade satisfied that we got we want. If that is not going to be case then I’m fine with not completing the trade.

Good luck in your trading."

You and I exchanged about 7 messages each. I will apologize here to you for wasting your time in that communication....I'm learning as I go, and I can act differently, and again, I'm sorry. Based on your last response in the thread between us (above), I'd have thought that if you decided you were upset, perhaps you could have contacted me back - what you wrote gave more than adequate and amicable closure at that time. Based on that, your forum post today shed considerable new light on your character, as well.

As for how the trade ultimately went with my trader - it was great. We've since traded again, and amicably...as my trades have always gone.

Again, I own and acknowledge I am and was imperfect. Did I steal from you or not make good when there was a problem with shipping or something like that? No. I got your affable response that not proceeding with the trade we were going to do was fine with you because "we should all come out of a trade satisfied that we got what we want."

@bungletrpg - yes, I am imperfect - like all people I even qualify as a piece of shit sometimes in life - in this instance, I wouldn't say quite that bad, but I suppose that's subjective.