"Problem Children" CANs

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  1. woodychandler

    woodychandler Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,184) Apr 9, 2004 Pennsylvania
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    Piggy-backing on the "I'll Take 'Things That Annoy' for $200., Alex" thread, I am reaching my upper limit with some brewers & their CANned offerings.

    A little background: I am the founder & instigator of The CANQuest (tm), my ambition to drink, review & rate EVERY CANned beer in existence. Why all caps? CANs are just that important, mi amigo. It beCAN in response the now-defunct Late-Night Beer Advocate (LNBS) society, an early group on this site that only beCAN discussions ~ 2000 (PST), well past my bedtime. One night, preceding a snow event with school not CANticipating opening for a few days, I stayed up to take part. I soon realized that it was nothing but a buncha whale/wale/whalezbro types all talking about obscure beers that none of us had CANsumed or which would require the bulk of our cellars in trade or maxing out our credit cards to procure. 8=(

    I posited something more accessible in the spirit of inCANsion and was quickly laughed out of the forum. 8=( I CANgitated on this weighty problem & returned a few nights later with a potential solution: CANned beers! After all, CANybody CAN lay CANds on a CANned beer, right? Well, this was still the era in which most CANned beers were macros & only Oskar Blues & a handful of others were leading the way. The subsequent laughter from the forum drove me out, only to dig in my heels & I beCAN being an advocate for craft beer in CANs.

    Russ Phillips, author of the coffee table book, Craft CANs & I are generally recognized as the progenitors of the craft CAN movement as a result. I am to be a featured member of the upcoming mockumentary, Beer CAN: A Love Story, premiering in Wilmington, DE on 09 November. If Charlie Sheen was "winning", I think that I have won.

    That said, some breweries seem to feel that in-CAN fermentation is fine, putting a disclaimer of "Live Beer. Keep Cold" on their labels as though that is sufficient!

    I have a Rogue's Gallery of failed CANs that have done everything from expand their bottoms (!), accordion their lids, pooch their lids, square their lids to the worst - expand in a geyser-like fashion though their vent or the worst, peel the lid back like King Kong wanted a beer! If you need photographic evidence, I have it as I used to take them with me to lectures on CANs that I was giving, as a warning to others. When they held the World Beer Cup in PHL in 2016 (?), I attended a seminar on CANs along with one of the Crown honchos & he was astounded by my collection of failures.

    Now, friends, I ask you: Have I won? Yes, bottles are going the way of spats & whale/wale/whalezbro corsets (see how I brought things full circle?), but is the trend of CANning EVERY beer a good thing? Do you have that kind of cold storage space to maintain these delicate angels? Or, like me, are you thinking that brewers should throttle back & CANsider NOT CANning every beer that comes out of fermentation? Discuss among yourselves.
     
  2. scream

    scream Initiate (0) Dec 6, 2014 Wisconsin
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    IMO bottles !
     
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  3. BruChef

    BruChef Maven (1,277) Nov 8, 2009 New York
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    I recently saw cans of Ommegang Bourbon Barrel Aged Three Philosophers and thought...”this isn’t right”.
     
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  4. Immortale25

    Immortale25 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,775) May 13, 2011 North Carolina
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    Edit: ^^^Yep

    First off, I'm from Delaware and, though I generally have disdain for my home state and am glad I left, I kind of wish I was there so I could drive to Wilmington to meet you @woodychandler . You're certainly a character (a CANacter? I don't know how this works) and am curious to see what this movie is like with you in it.

    To answer your question, *generally speaking* any beers intended for aging I feel like shouldn't be in a can. Everything else, let 'er rip.
     
  5. CannedWaggoneer

    CannedWaggoneer Crusader (499) May 1, 2017 Ohio

    Exploding beer isn't a can problem, it's a brewer problem.
     
  6. beergoot

    beergoot Grand High Pooh-Bah (9,310) Oct 11, 2010 Colorado
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    Just because I'm paranoid about bisphenol doesn't mean it's not out to get me...

    Glass is king in many aspects. It's inert. It CAN be shaped and sculpted unlike CANs. I CAN see my beer (if even darkly)...

    Hell, most of the beer I buy is in CANs. And the CANtents of said CANs will probably CANx my liver before it's CANtroversial lining voodoo chemistry will.

    My CANviction is that aged beers age better in glass. But then, I'm a CANmudgeon...and I CAN't do much about that...

    I'm GLASS I got this off my chest...
     
  7. BBThunderbolt

    BBThunderbolt Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,846) Sep 24, 2007 Kiribati
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    Do you find that there are certain style(s) that this tends to happen to more often? Certain breweries that it happens more frequently? With the growth of canning, and the growth of collective knowledge gathered, shouldn't this be happening less and less?
     
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  8. Beer_Stan

    Beer_Stan Initiate (0) Mar 15, 2014 California
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    There are just some things you CAN't do with CANs. Great as they are, they aren't for everything and I doubt even you would want to see CANtillon CANs. Perhaps I'm wrong but that's my CRV.
     
  9. sharpski

    sharpski Grand Pooh-Bah (3,100) Oct 11, 2010 Oregon
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    I’m of the opinion that more breweries/beer drinkers should experiment with aging beers in cans. It doesn’t mean that all beers aged in cans are better/worse than the same beer aged in bottles, just that we should gather more experience before jumping to CANclusions.

    Assuming the long-term general experience is similar to my own, I welcome an age in which BA beers as well as fresh beer of all styles is greeted in cans. I’d rather put my money towards the beer itself vs. wax-dipped 22s.
     
  10. woodychandler

    woodychandler Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,184) Apr 9, 2004 Pennsylvania
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    @beertunes
    It is especially the fruited & sour beers, but NEIPAs also have a poor track record & any beer CAN give 'way at any time. Sorry. 8=(
     
  11. Immortale25

    Immortale25 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,775) May 13, 2011 North Carolina
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    Sure, Ten Fidy and BA Ten Fidy probably age just fine in the can, although it probably takes longer for the oxidation effects to kick in. But, as @Beer_Stan said, Cantillon in a can? SMH
     
  12. jvgoor3786

    jvgoor3786 Grand Pooh-Bah (4,222) May 28, 2015 Arkansas
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    It feels weird seeing CANS on my "cellar" shelves. Aging in CANS? I love CANS and really like the move towards them, but it seems weird seeing certain beers in CANS. Will Expedition Stout be in CANS soon? What about KBS? I haven't had any explode yet though, so that's good.
     
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  13. BBThunderbolt

    BBThunderbolt Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,846) Sep 24, 2007 Kiribati
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    Other than a couple cans that didn't seam right (might have been a ding on the lip of the can, a slight dent on a lid, or the seamer was mis-aligned )I've not had any of the CANtasrophies you've suffered. I also wonder if, perhaps, more folks jumping on the canning equipment bandwagon, that there might be some lesser quality equipment being used, which might be a CANtributing factor?
     
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  14. woodychandler

    woodychandler Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,184) Apr 9, 2004 Pennsylvania
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    CANrect!

    BUT, they like to lay it off on the CANsumer as if my/our lack of insufficient cold storage space makes it our fault. That was my point.

    I CAN't cold-store each & every CAN. CAN you? They are ducking the issue with their "Store Cold, Drink Fresh" CANsense.

    Okay, if I have to meet that CANteria or lose my purchase through explosion as a result, do you see me as a repeat CANstomer? It does not seem like a CANstainable business model to me. YMMV.
     
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  15. woodychandler

    woodychandler Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,184) Apr 9, 2004 Pennsylvania
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    I also wonder if, perhaps, more folks jumping on the canning equipment bandwagon, that there might be some lesser quality equipment being used, which might be a CANtributing factor?[/QUOTE]

    Peut-etre, but that doesn't acCANt for everything in the Bag o' Shame. Some of them have their own CANning line. No names, please.
     
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  16. BBThunderbolt

    BBThunderbolt Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,846) Sep 24, 2007 Kiribati
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    Peut-etre, but that doesn't acCANt for everything in the Bag o' Shame. Some of them have their own CANning line. No names, please.[/QUOTE]
    Well, that's what I'm thinking: if a small, new-ish brewery wants in on the craze, perhaps they are buying their canning equipment from a new-ish equipment company, who gave them a deal to buy. And maybe that equipment is no to the quality of the more established manufacturers.
     
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  17. Beer_Stan

    Beer_Stan Initiate (0) Mar 15, 2014 California
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    @beertunes "Well, that's what I'm thinking: if a small, new-ish brewery wants in on the craze, perhaps they are buying their canning equipment from a new-ish equipment company, who gave them a deal to buy. And maybe that equipment is no to the quality of the more established manufacturers."

    Perhaps this is what CAN happen when we push the industry to do things too fast and not let it grow orCANically.
     
  18. nc41

    nc41 Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    I’ve never ever had a can failure, and I’m sure I’m older than most of you. Bottles break, caps fail, bottles leak, bottles let in light and air. Shrugs, never a problem with a can of any flavor, the exception was maybe cutting fingers punching out the two silly holes in the old Coors cans.
     
  19. honkey

    honkey Maven (1,350) Aug 28, 2010 Arizona
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    The original post and the selective caps belong in the “Things that annoy” thread.
     
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  20. BBThunderbolt

    BBThunderbolt Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,846) Sep 24, 2007 Kiribati
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    WoodyCANdler is a treasure on BA. We CAN always look forward to his entertaining CANmentary. We CAN have fun with these topics. I always enjoy your CANtributions too. They are often eduCANtional.
     
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