Trade Value Thread (2019)

Lol, okay. You're either rich, wrong, or trolling...

 

Why fuck do you think GTS is even remotely bearable? Shit is some of the most unbalanced trash the bourbon world has produced. And further, what does any of the crazy shit you said have to do with anything? People that "like" GTS just want to get shit faced drunk fast as hell, while also having a helluva Instagram post beforehand. Most people propping the value of GTS up haven't had it. And when they do, they're severely disappointed.

 

Well thanks for letting me know. Trader seemed like a good guy and I trust your taste.

 

I'm not sure what's so crazy about two adjectives and a verb, but I was genuinely trying to understand your claim. Arguing that it's not worth its absurd secondary value seems like a reasonable argument to be had, but saying it's "absolutely terrible" seems laughable, particularly when most people have the exact opposite evaluation of it.

 

"Most people" in this case consist of people that have it and are doling it out by either flipping it as samples, selling it, or trading it in some fashion at great benefit to them and them alone. Often the praise is coming from price gouging establishments buying the bottle for $50-60 retail and selling pours at bare minimum $30 an ounce, if you're lucky.

It really isn't good bourbon, like not even in the slightest. If you want to disagree with me I really don't give af. The bourbon world is fully of trash palates burnt out by cigar and cigarette smokers that just care almost solely about financial status, and getting pass out drunk on a recliner every night.

What's worse is how bourbon valuations have taken over not just this god damn thread post after post, but a lot of the trading fora elsewhere here on BA, and even the greater social media world. Tons of beer traders for some reason this year have fallen hard for the bullshit hype the bourbon traders are pushing because they've gotten bored with (too tolerant to) beer. Undeserved hype in the bourbon world outshines beer so gloriously it's awesome. What a profitable racket. I'll gladly trade you a vial of brown liquid for the best bottles in your cellar...

 

Can you enlighten us, then, as to which bourbons are good? Apparently most of us here are getting it wrong. I don't mind having differences of opinion either, but you're coming across as pretty elitist in claiming that a highly sought-after bourbon is garbage and that anyone interested in it is effectively an idiot, an alcoholic, or a mere status-seeker.

 

He says the same thing about various beers. He’s just extremely aggressive in how he talks online some of the time. Up until last week, I hadn’t seen this from him for awhile.

Palates differ, and whiskeys differ based on oxidation. When I Opened a fresh Weller 12, I thought it was...not worth drinking. After revisiting it after a few months, the oxidation made it heavenly. I understand usually when people have difference of opinions, but I’ll never understand his aggressiveness in these type of posts.

 

I'm the "trader" in question for the GTS '18 sample. I offered a free sample to walkingshoes because I had noticed his interest. Emphasized that I would just send it to him straight up, no need for reciprocation, but he felt compelled to do a $4$ trade with me since I was helping him out, so I complied with an actual trade (Prairie for BL). Suppose I won't be doing that again.

 

Thanks for delicately consoling the eternally harmed souls of BA, Darwin. My agents will be hitting you up to kick off my online life biography.

You're really reaching for a biting remark with that swing and a miss on elitism.

What's elitist is the current practices of limited bourbon producers, sellers and collectors. I didn't think that would be a confusing concept. Me saying that one brand of bourbon isn't good is an opinion on taste that frankly, if you disagree with I don't really care...like I said. But considering the content of your posts, you make it seem like you are taking sides in an argument where you don't have a dog in the fight to begin with. Have you even had GTS? Either way, my telling you it's basically not worth it is the opposite of elitist, but whatever makes you sleep at night. And stereotyping shitlords and whiskey hawks isn't hard, the people propping it up make it easy.

"Highly sought-after" does not = good. There was a time when people on BA understood that. Not only are we now, especially in trade threads, at risk of turning this more into bourbon advocate than beer advocate, but there's a lot of gullibility around here these days, especially with the insertion of bourbon.

When someone gets ahold of anything that's extremely hard to obtain (alcohol or something else entirely), which often requires that person to sacrifice a lot in one way or another, they often go way the hell overboard justifying their sacrifices by telling everyone how amazing the experience was. Sometimes it's true, oftentimes it's not.

I prefer to be honest to myself. When I'm burned by overhyped garbage, even though it cost me an arm and a leg, I'm not going to feel so much shame that I'll fail to admit it to everyone. I'll admit it to myself first, then tell the world to help avoid them being bamboozled by the shitlords out there trying to make a living off reselling junk. If you find that to be elite, sign me up for the gold toilet club.

 

Come on, now. We both know I was not being a turd.

When you are even keeled, I appreciate your presence. You have made very thoughtful posts, and I appreciate that your palate differs from the general public at times, and That you are not afraid do voice your opinion that goes against the grain (whether that is in the SP thread, BC thread, JOs thread, or wherever). I don’t always agree, but sometimes I do.

BUT, then there are times you certainly go super harsh railing hard without tact. That was the point of the post above and mine. It’s like you showed up at someone’s house for dinner, took a taste, and proclaimed the food tasted like dog shit rather than being polite and being more tactful.

I’m not saying you have to be polite (and we both know you don’t care anyway), but the point is you are the absence of polite and encouraging of discourse at times. You rarely proclaim your opinion, instead you almost always proclaim the opinion of the universe. I genuinely do not know if you’re just trying to get a rise out of people, or whether you really think people are just sheep 100% of the time when their palate/views don’t conform to yours.

I don’t think BA would be better without you, but I think it would be better if you took your posts (those right out of the gate) down from a 10 to a 5.

 

My comments here on this relatively anonymous forum are by definition opinion unless I explicitly state otherwise. If someone fails to understand that, it's their own lack of reading comprehension. Unless I say "everyone believes X" or "X is an irrefutable fact," why assume what I believe is what the universe believes? However flattering that is...

And I always go to my friends' houses and tell them their mom's cooking tastes like dog shit. Don't you?

 

Yes, of course you're conveying your opinion. But when you come out guns-a-blazing and present your opinion in the form of "X is terrible, garbage, etc." and then go on to attack anyone who thinks otherwise as being a shitlord or a drunk or a sheep, it comes across as more than a mere personal opinion. It implies that your opinion is the correct one and that everyone else is too stupid or delusional to apprehend this reality.

This has nothing to do with people's reading comprehension. It has to do with your tact.

 

But, GTS is garbage.

Don't let my opinion hurt you so much...? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

We've now gone from Bourbon Advocate to Tact Advocate.

This is a thread that's already begun to boil down to people hashing out the depressingly petty valuations of partial quantities of bourbon to beer, to now spending an inordinate amount of time about how just exactly we should all behave when discussing this utter ridiculousness on an online forum. That's your choice, what can I say.

Show me where I said "anyone who thinks otherwise" in regards to anything? I mean feel free to spend more time on the nuance of my delivery. I'll make sure it's even sharper next time, k hun?

Anyway, back to Bourbon Vial Trade Value Tuesday, gotta stay on topic!

But have you even had GTS though?

 

Wow this devolved into bedlam

 

Ok, back in track.

WTT Hookers for crank.

What’s the ratio, 1/2 hooker for an hour of crank?

Wait, maybe I have that wrong.

Can I expect to close this quick?

 

Had a pour of TRB Home Sour Home b2 over the weekend. Really enjoyed it.

Would an older bottle of Peche N Brett land this?

 

send me a sample of both and I will get back to you on a proper valuation.

 

I’ll give you a pinky, but that’s it.

 

Personally I think this would be a very good and fair trade. The issue I expect, though, is that few people would be excited enough for an older Peche N Brett to justify the hassle and added cost of shipping. If you attempt this as a 1:1 trade, I would suggest mentioning in your post that you would be interested in expanding the trade to help make it worth the effort.

 

2019 rye barrel home sour home just got released and the wine barrel version should be released next month so probably not too hard to track down either.