How many brewers use fake hops?

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  1. unlikelyspiderperson

    unlikelyspiderperson Grand Pooh-Bah (3,966) Mar 12, 2013 California
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    Also the beer you listed as starting this for you, hop stoopid, has some old school lagunitas literary hyperbole about a mad scientist and his insanely hopped laboratory creation left over from the ibu wars. The hop extracts I've seen are all made with super critical co2
     
  2. crazyforporter

    crazyforporter Aspirant (207) Jan 7, 2019 Massachusetts

    It falls under “Natural flavors” I believe. Fake hops make fake beers!
     
  3. unlikelyspiderperson

    unlikelyspiderperson Grand Pooh-Bah (3,966) Mar 12, 2013 California
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    I hope you are just trolling bit one more time, hop extract doesn't have anything in it other than hops. There is nothing fake, synthetic, or artificial involved. You could call them processed but there isn't anything besides hops flowers in them
     
  4. crazyforporter

    crazyforporter Aspirant (207) Jan 7, 2019 Massachusetts

    I understand the point you’re trying to make, but then why not just use hop flowers instead of synthetic hop extracts derived from a lab? It just bothers me when brewers cut corners and don’t give us the premium product we’re paying for. I do understand that some synthetic hops are essentially the same as flowers but then what’s the point of putting the fake hops into the beer when real hops could easily be used? I like a lot of the Lagunitas beers but I prefer the ones that keep it real.
     
  5. Coronaeus

    Coronaeus Grand Pooh-Bah (3,744) Apr 21, 2014 Canada (ON)
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    Someone call Webster’s! Their definition of ‘synthetic’ is obviously lacking.
     
  6. BBThunderbolt

    BBThunderbolt Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,846) Sep 24, 2007 Kiribati
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    FFS, they are not synthetic, or fake. Do you consider hop pellets fake?
     
  7. TrojanRB

    TrojanRB Grand Pooh-Bah (3,779) Jul 27, 2013 Texas
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    If you can find a way to buy them with fake money, you’d really be onto something.
     
  8. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,647) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    News flash. Many breweries use fake water. Filtered, pH adjusted, minerals added.

    Hey, the yeast is from a lab, unless there do wild fermentation.
     
  9. Kadonny

    Kadonny Pooh-Bah (2,616) Sep 5, 2007 Florida
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    This whole thread is fake news. Ironic, huh.
     
  10. spersichilli

    spersichilli Initiate (0) Apr 26, 2018 California
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    Hop extract is used for bittering because there is less physical matter in the beer leading to higher yields. There’s no point in using the full hop cones in the boil as a large amount of it is vegetal matter. Hop extract is mostly just the vegetal matter stripped away. It DEFINITELY isn’t cutting corners, if anything it helps the finished product. As far as I know, NO breweries are using synthetic hop compounds (what would be described as fake hops) in their beers

    HOP EXTRACT =//= FAKE HOPS. THANK YOU FOR COMING TO MY TED TALK

    Can we PLEASE shut this thread down now?
     
  11. spersichilli

    spersichilli Initiate (0) Apr 26, 2018 California
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  12. Ranbot

    Ranbot Pooh-Bah (2,463) Nov 27, 2006 Pennsylvania
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    This dude is a either a troll, or doesn't care enough to even try learning from others who go out of their way to teach. He's very rude either way.
     
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  13. medb

    medb Devotee (329) Aug 27, 2013 California

    Amazing how natural has become some buzzword that acts as some kind of guarantee. Peanuts and gluten are natural but can have horrific effects on people.
     
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  14. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    And malting itself is pretty exploitative, taking advantage of a natural process for mankind's selfish use. Poor little barley corns* are soaked in water until they germinate - cool, they think they're about to grow into beautiful, tall stalks of barley as they were destined to become ("Amber Waves of Grains" and all that) but, no, man then takes those newborn spouts and thrown 'em into a kiln and bakes 'em to death!

    Later grinds them, and then boils them, and often feeds their little dead bodies to the cows....

    * For the story of where those barley corns came from in the first place, refer to Traffic's version John Barleycorn Must Die.
     
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  15. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,647) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    The easier question is to ask which breweries use whole cone hops. The top 3

    Sierra Nevada
    Deschutes
    Victory (I think they are 3rd).

    CO2 Extract is made in a large processing facility, more of a factory, they do something like 5000 lbs of pellets at a time.
     
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  16. barrybeerdog

    barrybeerdog Pundit (941) Aug 17, 2012 South Dakota

    OMG! My mom used "fake" vanilla in her baking all those years & passed off that delicious favor as vanilla extract, oh the shame she has brought to my family !
    MG
     
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  17. crazyforporter

    crazyforporter Aspirant (207) Jan 7, 2019 Massachusetts

    No, I think those are real hops. But it is definitely borderline.
     
  18. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    syn·thet·ic
    /sinˈTHedik/
    adjective:
    • 1.(of a substance) made by chemical synthesis, especially to imitate a natural product:"synthetic rubber"
    • 2.(of a proposition) having truth or falsity determinable by recourse to experience.
    noun:
    1.a synthetic material or chemical, especially a textile fiber.


    Bolding above by me. There is certainly no chemical birthing of an extracted solution from a "natural product" therefore hop extract is natural.
     
  19. BBThunderbolt

    BBThunderbolt Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,846) Sep 24, 2007 Kiribati
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  20. nc41

    nc41 Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    I guess when I make my chicken cacciatore that I use dried thyme, rosemary, and oregano I’m using fake shit. Actually the dried components are more potent than fresh, but I can do either. I’d assume hops may follow that trend.
     
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