Adjunct Misinformation

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  1. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    As far as I am aware of its a body/mouthfeel enhancing thing. Some brewers will add lactose to their Juicy/Hazy IPAs and label those beers as being Milkshake IPAs.

    Cheers!
     
    #41 JackHorzempa, Dec 3, 2019
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  2. Roguer

    Roguer Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,811) Mar 25, 2013 Connecticut
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    We've certainly talked about this before. Here's the basics:

    1) Adjunct, by definition, means something supplementary (vice necessary).
    2) Adjunct, in brewing terms, has meant malt substitute / additive, in particular corn and rice.*
    3) Brewers themselves (this is hardly the only example) have increasingly been using the dictionary definition to describe these added ingredients, not just in context of rice or corn.
    *In a throwback to @jesskidden 's post, "malt adjuncts" might be a more precise use of this term, separate from simple "adjuncts."

    So why the continued consternation over this word? They are literally using it per the freaking definition. It's the most succinct single word, and far more efficient than trying to simply get around the word adjunct ("additional ingredients," "flavoring ingredients," etc.).

    Any argument that this is a consumer "problem" (vice industry) goes out the window when it is the industry itself using the term. Using it to refer exclusively to rice or corn was, itself, the industry co-opting an already extant word for a specific use. Co-opting the term originally was good, but brewers continuing to evolve and use the word per its actual definition is bad?

    Some of you folk confuse the hell out of me. :grinning:

    Seriously, if you're still fighting against brewers using the term, you're not only fighting a losing battle, you're fighting against the brewing industry itself, as many, many brewers have clearly decided this is acceptable. (And again .... the dictionary.) More relevant, though, you probably need to read the news or something. There must be something more important going on in the world than whether or not the brewing world agrees with your personal opinion on the use of a word.
     
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  3. marquis

    marquis Pooh-Bah (2,313) Nov 20, 2005 England
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    Many brewers are masters of their trade and I bow down to that. But commonly they have little grasp of brewing history. One reason is the amount of poor beer literature, much of which is copied from other unresearched work. Few writers trouble to look at the sources. Even then, the source might be incorrect. Imagine a beer writer in a century using Food Babe as evidence.
    Hats off to Ron Pattinson, Martyn Cornelly and of course Jesskidden for the quality and accuracy of their work.
     
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  4. rgordon

    rgordon Pooh-Bah (2,701) Apr 26, 2012 North Carolina
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    I thought so. I've always been able to drink a glass of OJ and maybe a beer soon afterward. Drinking a glass of milk and then a beer, not so much.
     
    #44 rgordon, Dec 3, 2019
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  5. Roguer

    Roguer Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,811) Mar 25, 2013 Connecticut
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    Fair counterpoint, but the point that language evolves - and using adjunct as a term to refer exclusively to malt adjunct - is itself an evolution of language. I don't consider brewers to be disrespecting their history if they choose to use the term differently than it has been, in the industry, in the past.

    I honestly think the greater backlash comes not from brewing history (although that's part of it), but from the common association, especially among craft enthusiasts, of the term "adjunct" with BMC/AAL/"crap" beer. It has a negative connotation, and I think people - perhaps reflexively, not even consciously - therefore reject applying the term in any other way.
     
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  6. officerbill

    officerbill Pooh-Bah (2,228) Feb 9, 2019 New York
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    Then why was my niece's high school Latin book on its 7th edition?:grin:
     
    #46 officerbill, Dec 3, 2019
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  7. deleted_user_995920

    deleted_user_995920 Initiate (0) Jun 4, 2015

    I think it was meant to be tongue in cheek-
     
    #47 deleted_user_995920, Dec 3, 2019
  8. meefmoff

    meefmoff Pooh-Bah (1,922) Jul 6, 2014 Massachusetts
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    I know this was a joke (and a good one) but there's an entire racket built around "new" editions of many textbooks.

    If there was a Textbook Advocate, the discussions would be the inverse of how we complain about things here: "This year's edition of X is supposed to be different but it's actually the damn same!"
     
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  9. deleted_user_995920

    deleted_user_995920 Initiate (0) Jun 4, 2015

    Technically according to the German purity law of 1516 Rheinheitsgebot they are correct.
     
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  10. marquis

    marquis Pooh-Bah (2,313) Nov 20, 2005 England
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    There was no German Purity Law, just one part of what is now Bavaria was covered : the 1516 Act was solely enacted to distribute grain between bakers and brewers..And of course it did not include yeast in the allowed materials/
     
    #50 marquis, Dec 3, 2019
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  11. officerbill

    officerbill Pooh-Bah (2,228) Feb 9, 2019 New York
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    Truer words were never spoken. College and HS textbook publishers have a license to steal.
     
    #51 officerbill, Dec 3, 2019
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  12. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    Outdated illustrations. Nobody takes books serious when the photos include people in bell bottoms.
     
    #52 SFACRKnight, Dec 3, 2019
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  13. deleted_user_995920

    deleted_user_995920 Initiate (0) Jun 4, 2015

    Why are you repeating what I said? I said " German"
     
    #53 deleted_user_995920, Dec 3, 2019
  14. deleted_user_995920

    deleted_user_995920 Initiate (0) Jun 4, 2015

    Also A law 500 years ago is not what you would consider today. I was trying to say you were right technically about adjuncts- Chill out-
     
    #54 deleted_user_995920, Dec 3, 2019
  15. deleted_user_995920

    deleted_user_995920 Initiate (0) Jun 4, 2015

    Also baker and brewers were usually one in the same back then. Do you actually know what beer is?
     
    #55 deleted_user_995920, Dec 3, 2019
  16. rgordon

    rgordon Pooh-Bah (2,701) Apr 26, 2012 North Carolina
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    The Old Same Place is down next to Crabby Appleton's house.
     
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  17. rozzom

    rozzom Pooh-Bah (2,620) Jan 22, 2011 New York
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    I think he’s saying that “German” is not correct - that the purity law only applied to part of Bavaria
     
    #57 rozzom, Dec 3, 2019
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  18. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    Julius Caesar wore bell bottoms!!? :sunglasses:
     
    #58 PapaGoose03, Dec 3, 2019
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  19. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,635) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    Have you ever been to Bavaria, and called a Bavarian German. ;-)

    Germany as we think of it was not around back in the 16th century.
     
    #59 hopfenunmaltz, Dec 3, 2019
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  20. rozzom

    rozzom Pooh-Bah (2,620) Jan 22, 2011 New York
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    Et tu brute?
     
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