Gruits?

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  1. ForagedBudLite

    ForagedBudLite Initiate (0) Aug 11, 2019 Michigan

    Just curious about people's experiences with gruits - beers bittered without hops. It's a historic way of making beer or "ale" or whatever you want to call it, before hops were ubiquitous. I'm a fan of the style. The sort of flavors you get from using, say, meadowsweet or heather, are quite different from hops. It unlocks different possibilities.

    Probably the easiest gruit to find on the shelf is Midas Touch from Dogfish Head, which highlights saffron, plus fermentables like grape and honey. It serves an approachable entry point to gruits. In my neck of the woods, the local gruits I've been able to track down include Cannibal's Marinade from Schmoz (mugwort, wormwood, heather tips, and perhaps more that I'm forgetting), Vargdricka from Brewery Becker (juniper and bog myrtle), and Peach Gruit from Mountain Town (marsh rosemary, yarrow and bog myrtle).

    Vargdricka and Peach Gruit remind me more of your average beer than something like Midas Touch, but still with an unmistakable herbal essence that you're just not going to find in your average beer. Though it's been awhile since I've had Cannibal's Marinade, I recall it being absolutely wild tasting, and not in a displeasing way. People seem to either love or hate it. I hesitate to give more specific tasting notes without actually having a glass in hand.

    To finish this off, let me briefly mention: It's been speculated that gruits can be more intoxicating than hopped beers, owing to a synergistic effect between the herbs and alcohol. I personally think that whole angle is a bit overhyped. At most, I find you're going to get an effect from gruits close to absinthe - a debatable "is this placebo or not?" experience. Now of course if you add magic mushrooms or something similar to your beer, you'll get very intoxicated, but I don't think that was ever a very common thing to do. You won't trip from yarrow or heather.
     
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  2. Snowcrash000

    Snowcrash000 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,041) Oct 4, 2017 Germany
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    I've always been a big fan of herb/spice beers and therefore absolutely love Gruit, although it is very rare that I can actually manage to get my hands on one, much less an authentic one without hops around here...

    Dutch brewery Jopen make a very nice one though, called Koyt. Also, Estonian brewery Pohjala made an absolutely amazing BBA Gruit that does contain some hops though, called Laugas.
     
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  3. ForagedBudLite

    ForagedBudLite Initiate (0) Aug 11, 2019 Michigan

    Interesting stuff. I did come across a European gruit once here in America, called Vibration Dark: https://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/50742/247953/. Unfortunately it was very old and had lost some flavor, I think.
     
  4. rousee

    rousee Pooh-Bah (1,652) Aug 13, 2004 Massachusetts
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    I like them. There was one I remember from Scotland that was bottled and had spruce tips that was decent. Cambridge Brewing in Cambridge, MA makes some decent ones but the place that really made what I thought were the best ones I've had was Zero Gravity brewing at American Flatbread in Burlington, VT.
     
  5. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    In the BA page of beer styles: https://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/styles/ you'll find the Gruits in the Herb and Spice beer category as you mentioned, and I've had the Midas Touch that you also mentioned. Dogfish Head is great at trying ancient recipes. I see Chateau Jihau on that list too, and it may also fall into the Gruit category, but I didn't dig deep enough to qualify it as such. There may be other Gruits further down that list too.

    I also noticed under the Specialty Beer grouping the Finnish Sahti (https://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/styles/148/) and the Scottish Gruit/Ancient Herbed Ale (https://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/styles/70/) styles, both of which could also have beers that fit the general definition of Gruit. Other styles under that Specialty group could also fit, although I didn't look deeply enough to say that there are some.

    I've had several beers in each of these lists, but all of them were a while ago when I was trying as many different beers as I could in the learning process. I don't recall much about any of them, thus I must have been neutral in my opinion about each of them, thus I didn't learn much. (I do recall really liking Chateau Jihau) So it might be time for me to revisit some of these beers that are easy to find to reinforce what I should have learned the first time.
     
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  6. Warwick7

    Warwick7 Zealot (505) May 25, 2019 Maryland

    As a Medieval rennactor I would love to try Gruit Ale, I am always looking for more realism. I havent pursued it as much as I should as they were hard to find and DFH didnt seem like me. But this thread is making me pumped enough try. Will let you know. If its anything like English Ale I will cherish it.

    Cheers
     
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  7. ForagedBudLite

    ForagedBudLite Initiate (0) Aug 11, 2019 Michigan

    I'd say that the Dogfish Head ancient ales could be called gruits. Although I was a little late to the game, I was able to find most of the DF ancient ales in stores in the bomber format. My favorite was Birra Etrusca, and all were at least "good" IMO.

    And I have had my fair share of sahtis. I like juniper beers well enough, but for some reason the style never truly excites me. Definitely love the history behind sahtis though, and it's definitely an enjoyable beer style.
     
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  8. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    I think I've only had one Sahti which was brewed by my local brewery (once) and it was not all that good to my tastes, but I drank it. I also watched Dark Horse Brewing's exhibition on National Homebrew Beer Day a number of years ago of creating an authentic Sahti by pouring the mash runnings through a slightly inclined, hollowed-out half log (like a trough) that was filled with juniper branches. (I think the tree variety of the log might also have been juniper, but I'm unsure of that.) They were going to put that beer on tap after fermentation, but sadly I don't recall going back to sample it.
     
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  9. ForagedBudLite

    ForagedBudLite Initiate (0) Aug 11, 2019 Michigan

    You've probably had it, but Nordhouse from Brewery Vivant is a nice sort of fusion beer. It's an IPA with hops and juniper, and brewed with a farmhouse yeast. Cans of the stuff are everywhere in Michigan.
     
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  10. Warwick7

    Warwick7 Zealot (505) May 25, 2019 Maryland

    Looks Like Midas Touch will be my first my first one unless I find something else.
     
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  11. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    I've not had Nordhouse but I typically don't pay much attention to Brewery Vivant's beers on store shelves. I look first at Bell's or Short's stuff. I always fully enjoy the beer and food when I visit Vivant's brewery in GR though. I'll look for Nordhouse and give it a try.
     
  12. Warwick7

    Warwick7 Zealot (505) May 25, 2019 Maryland

    I enjoyed Midas Touch but Its rare I drink a strong ale. i like it but to me it didnt taste much different then a malt forward English Ale with not much hops.
     
  13. derftron

    derftron Pooh-Bah (1,663) Feb 8, 2012 Oregon
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    Upright Special Herbs is probably the only Gruit I have had, and its amazing.


    thats all i got folks
     
  14. Insomniac

    Insomniac Initiate (0) Nov 5, 2019 Canada (ON)

    It’s not a favorite style of mine but it’s relative rarity makes it a true change of pace and the style has grown on me over time. The brewery I most associate with this style is William Brothers Brewing Company from Scotland. They release a holiday gift pack in Ontario most years called Historic Ales Of Scotland, which includes a few examples of the style.
     
  15. Insomniac

    Insomniac Initiate (0) Nov 5, 2019 Canada (ON)

    You might be referring to Alba Scots Pine Ale. If that’s the one, it’s from William Brothers, mentioned in my previous post. Cheers.
     
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  16. BBThunderbolt

    BBThunderbolt Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,846) Sep 24, 2007 Kiribati
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    My opinion? Yes please. Moar!

    Haven't had a lot of them, but I find the style interesting, different, and,refreshingly, they all don't taste the same. Unlike some other styles.
     
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  17. unlikelyspiderperson

    unlikelyspiderperson Grand Pooh-Bah (3,966) Mar 12, 2013 California
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    This us the most interesting aspect of gruits to me, it opens up a whole world of flavor potential. I have to try every new to me one I see because (unless they are made with the same herbs) they each have totally different flavors. The best packaged ones I've had came from a brewery in mt pleasant, MI whose name I can't remember. I also love one that a tiny local brewery makes that is a dark and flavored with a variety of mushrooms. The same place also made a true root beer that was pretty pleasant
     
  18. Coronaeus

    Coronaeus Grand Pooh-Bah (3,744) Apr 21, 2014 Canada (ON)
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    One of the breweries up here that gets dumped on a lot for a whole bunch of reasons has done a lot of them - 22 listed on this site - and always seem to have one or two available. I’ve liked the ones I’ve tried. I believe they have used a recipe or recipes provided to them by one of the esteemed writers for this site’s magazine.

    https://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/15435/?view=beers&show=all
     
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  19. unlikelyspiderperson

    unlikelyspiderperson Grand Pooh-Bah (3,966) Mar 12, 2013 California
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    Just wanted to add, the brewery in mt pleasant MI that makes good gruits is called Mountain Town
     
  20. johnnybgood1999

    johnnybgood1999 Savant (1,000) Oct 31, 2008 Virginia

    I've had two of these. Midas Touch and Fraoch, a heather ale. Midas Touch is still around. Fraoch used to be readily available. Haven't seen it in a few years now. I like both and would love to see more of the style. I'm not sure why more aren't made. I will say Fraoch was too expensive. I remember it being around $5 or $6 for a single bottle at only 5% ABV.
     
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