Adjunct Misinformation

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  1. rgordon

    rgordon Pooh-Bah (2,701) Apr 26, 2012 North Carolina
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    It was The Holy Roman Empire. Martin Luther had a lot to say about this after a while. It has always been an interesting world when humans are involved, but
    I understand your point, and I am very directly Bavarian. But my hackles never rise over this stuff, but I do know Bavaria kinda genetically.
     
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  2. VitisVinifera

    VitisVinifera Pundit (879) Feb 25, 2013 California

    We need a term for what some are mistakenly called adjuncts. Have there been any thoughts or ideas on this?
     
  3. DISKORD

    DISKORD Initiate (0) Feb 28, 2017 South Carolina

    Yeah! I like @bbtkd's term: "add-junks".

     
  4. VitisVinifera

    VitisVinifera Pundit (879) Feb 25, 2013 California

    well.....the problem with that is that it sounds just like adjuncts
     
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  5. DISKORD

    DISKORD Initiate (0) Feb 28, 2017 South Carolina

    Oh yeah! Good point! We gotta keep on thinkin'. :thinking_face:

    How about "food ingredients" or "real food ingredients" or "food ingredients that don't belong in beer, even though coffee in stouts tastes awesome"? Xocoveza is a great example. When it's done right and with real, not artificial ingredients.
     
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  6. bbtkd

    bbtkd Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,790) Sep 20, 2015 South Dakota
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    Well, yeah, because it's meant to mock people misusing "adjunct" :stuck_out_tongue:

    And it's spot-on accurate.
     
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  7. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Maybe you could start a new thread with a poll on this topic?

    My vote would go for calling this stuff "flavorings".

    Cheers!
     
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  8. rozzom

    rozzom Pooh-Bah (2,620) Jan 22, 2011 New York
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    I’m all about language evolving. I don’t quite subscribe to it in this instance. But I think for better or for worse we’re stuck with adjunct as a catch all term now. It’s too late to try and think up something else.
     
  9. Roguer

    Roguer Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,811) Mar 25, 2013 Connecticut
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    Well, based on license plates and football teams, sometimes NYC does indeed seem to be the state capital of NJ. :grinning:

    Actually, the Scottish/British angle is one I tried to take in a previous discussion on beer language (in that case, the ale vs stout "debate"). It would always be incorrect to refer to a Scotsman as an Englishman, but it would not be incorrect to refer to that same person as a member of Great Britain or the United Kingdom (but for the sake of my own nose, I still wouldn't call a Scot a Brit .... :grinning: ). Yet, that wouldn't always have been the case; prior to the 18th century, Scotland was not part of Great Britain (the legal body, not the land mass .... this gets complicated really, really quick). If they actually did declare independence (which was voted down recently), they would still be part of Great Britain (the land mass), but no longer part of the United Kingdom (presumably).

    Then there's Prussia, Germany, the Holy Roman Empire, Bavaria, Austria ..... yeah. That's a fun ball of wax to handle, as well. Being ethnically direct descendants of Germanic peoples doesn't mean you'd call all of them Germans anymore (and the Germans were certainly never Roman, despite the title).

    So, yeah, language evolves, obviously. Examples of that are ubiquitous and constant. Yet, somehow, once certain people decide that one word means one thing in their little niche thing, it never can mean something else, and furthermore, it never did mean anything else, no matter what the history says.
     
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  10. unlikelyspiderperson

    unlikelyspiderperson Grand Pooh-Bah (3,966) Mar 12, 2013 California
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    So if adjunct means any thing besides malt, hops, and yeast added to a beer what is the word for the non malt fermentables?
     
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  11. Crusader

    Crusader Pooh-Bah (1,725) Feb 4, 2011 Sweden
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    Macronutrients? :stuck_out_tongue:
     
  12. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    Yeah, language "evolves" but that is not always positive. Seems to me that when a word loses a specific meaning and becomes more generalized, that is a loss for accurate communications. Contrary to the opinion (sorry, can't find the post above) that people who dislike the misuse of the term are coming from a negative, older viewpoint of actual adjunct usage - once a standard "craft" opinion, even written into the B.A.'s definition - I sure don't fit into that category. I'd rather see
    'rice and corn in my beer" * than chocolate, fruit or peanut butter.

    *To quote that cringe-worth video that starred many of these same FMB brewers...

    I think the usage is by those whole think that using industry jargon - in this case, of course, misusing it - makes them sound more knowledgeable. But, of course, misusing it does just the opposite.
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    AA's. (Actual Adjuncts).
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  13. unlikelyspiderperson

    unlikelyspiderperson Grand Pooh-Bah (3,966) Mar 12, 2013 California
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    I know it's gone too far when someone in the bp sale thread claims that bp was the first brewery "to adjunct an ipa... " with the fruited sculpin. Never mind that rice IPAs and wheat IPAs and probably f'ing IPAs have been around a long time, trying to sound smart by calling adding fruit to a beer "adjuncting" is just aggravating. And as @jesskidden points out above, it doesn't lead to clearer communication about the topic at all.
    The argument seems to be "since some people started misusing a word, probably out of a desire to sound better informed on a hobby than they really were, and it has caught on, we should all adopt this less precise and less useful misusage as 'evolution of language'". I reject that argument. Chocolate is a flavoring ingredient , fruit puree is a flavoring ingredient. Adjunct has a meaning that conveys actual information about the product, there's no reason to adopt a new usage just to help us all SOUND smarter
     
  14. Crusader

    Crusader Pooh-Bah (1,725) Feb 4, 2011 Sweden
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    In German, Danish and Swedish the term for adjuncts is rohfrucht/råfrugt/råfrukt ("raw fruit"), so I guess Sculpin might have been the first "rohfrucht IPA"? :stuck_out_tongue:
     
  15. unlikelyspiderperson

    unlikelyspiderperson Grand Pooh-Bah (3,966) Mar 12, 2013 California
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    From now on I'm telling anyone who misuses adjunct to "get rohfruct in ipa" :grin:
     
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  16. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    Yeah, I think I saw that post, in which the poster claimed IIRC that Grapefruit Sculpin was brewed because of the "hop shortage" (interesting theory, but the years didn't line up - 2008 for the latter vs 2013 for the IPA's release) but that would then make that fruit ingredient not a "Malt Adjunct" but a "Hop Adjunct" ! :grin:

    The longest-lived US-brewed India Pale Ale, Ballantine IPA (circa ~1878 - ~1995, call me when a modern one breaks that record :astonished:), was brewed using corn grits as an adjunct. Pretty there were a few US pre-craft IPA's that used rice and, of course, many likely used corn-derived sugars or syrups.
     
  17. kdb150

    kdb150 Initiate (0) Mar 8, 2012 Pennsylvania

    Interestingly, one could argue that things like corn or rice, which are used to provide fermentable sugars and contribute to both the alcohol content and fundamental character of the finished beer, are not actually "adjuncts" within the meaning of the word, but rather are integral in creating a particular final product.
     
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  18. rozzom

    rozzom Pooh-Bah (2,620) Jan 22, 2011 New York
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    As a born and bred scot who was totally against independence (though fuck me - with what’s happening now doesn’t actually seem that bad of an idea) you can call me Scottish and British. I’ll happily accept either. You’re right though. Don’t call me English.
     
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  19. WickedSluggy

    WickedSluggy Savant (1,129) Nov 21, 2008 Texas


    I was also annoyed by the use of the term "adjunct" in this new context, but it's been going on for a few years, and I've gotten over it. A lot of breweries and beer fans use it in this way.

    I suppose cookies could be considered an adjunct in the traditional sense if added to the mash, but I doubt that's what's going on here.
     
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  20. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    That ain't what my copy of Elsevier's Dictionary of Barley, Malting and Brewing in Six Languages [1961] from the European Brewery Convention says:
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    Unless, you know, it, too, "evolved"... :grinning:

    Wait. "Surrogate" "Substitute" ... what the hell, aren't those a volunteer birth-mother and a type of teacher?
    How can a word mean more than one thing! :open_mouth:
     
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