Adjunct Misinformation

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  1. Junior

    Junior Pooh-Bah (1,883) May 23, 2015 Michigan
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    Just because brewers use the term incorrectly it doesn’t make it acceptable. It’s just laziness, IMO.
     
    #141 Junior, Dec 26, 2019
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  2. BBThunderbolt

    BBThunderbolt Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,846) Sep 24, 2007 Kiribati
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    World class post.
     
    #142 BBThunderbolt, Dec 26, 2019
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  3. Coronaeus

    Coronaeus Grand Pooh-Bah (3,744) Apr 21, 2014 Canada (ON)
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    “I could care less.”


    :wink:
     
    #143 Coronaeus, Dec 26, 2019
  4. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Or?

    [​IMG]
     
    #144 JackHorzempa, Dec 26, 2019
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  5. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    So, by that definition, corn, rice, oats and unmalted wheat and unmalted barley are no longer adjuncts...:thinking_face:

    Budweiser, Coors Banquet and Miller High Life will henceforth be known as A?L's...

    The Master Brewers Association of the Americas seem to be sticking to it.
     
    #145 jesskidden, Dec 26, 2019
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  6. rgordon

    rgordon Pooh-Bah (2,701) Apr 26, 2012 North Carolina
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    Without any breed of dog in this hunt, I relish this thread as comic relief on many levels. I don't care about the definition of adjuncts, but it is comical to watch all of this continue to unravel. Please do carry on!
     
    #146 rgordon, Dec 26, 2019
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  7. PNW

    PNW Initiate (0) Dec 23, 2019 Washington

    :smile: You're right, none of this really matters.
     
    #147 PNW, Dec 26, 2019
  8. officerbill

    officerbill Pooh-Bah (2,228) Feb 9, 2019 New York
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    “Say what you mean and mean what you say.”
    If you mean an ingredient related to taste say “flavoring”
    If you mean an ingredient related to fermentation say “adjunct”

    It's not rocket science
    [​IMG]
     
    #148 officerbill, Dec 27, 2019
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  9. PNW

    PNW Initiate (0) Dec 23, 2019 Washington

    You really doubled down on the jackassery. Good luck with that, chief.
     
    #149 PNW, Dec 28, 2019
  10. mactrail

    mactrail Grand High Pooh-Bah (8,999) Mar 24, 2009 Washington
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    Wait, I've got the can copywriter on the line from his home in the south of France... what's that? just making a little joke? oh, oh... well sorry for getting you out of bed at this hour. Ciao!
     
    #150 mactrail, Dec 28, 2019
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  11. marquis

    marquis Pooh-Bah (2,313) Nov 20, 2005 England
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    It is not just adjunct which is widely misused, so is the word Ale. Ale is just one family of British beer types and Porter is another.
     
    #151 marquis, Dec 28, 2019
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  12. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    "You say, 'Yes', I say, 'No'
    I say, 'Stop' but you say, Go, go, go'
    Oh no"

    With credit (and a misquote) to The Beatles, and said by an American to a Brit, do we have to go there? Again? :wink::wink::grin:

    EDIT: In your defense I just realized that you qualified your statement to include "one family of British beer types" and you used "types" instead of "styles". Maybe we're teaching you a few things. :wink:
     
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  13. surfcaster

    surfcaster Initiate (0) Apr 20, 2013 North Carolina
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    :popcorn::fire::popcorn::fire:
    :nauseated_face::nauseated_face::nauseated_face::nauseated_face:

    There are British/English takes which the American "experts" take exception with (porter/ale, etc).....

    There are American positions rooted 40+ yrs ago which new brewers take exception with....

    Why can't we call get along? (as Rodney would say)

    Seems 40 yrs ago, few would have guessed all the crap that would be put in beer today. Who knows/really cares? Seems more do than I would have guessed.
     
    #153 surfcaster, Dec 28, 2019
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  14. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    I've seen drinkers make similar statements, but from Avery? Facepalm.
     
    #154 zid, Dec 30, 2019
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  15. patto1ro

    patto1ro Pooh-Bah (2,084) Apr 26, 2004 Netherlands
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    Some strains of Brettanomyces can ferment lactose. Which could cause an unwary brewer some problem.
    Happy New Year!
     
    #155 patto1ro, Dec 31, 2019
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  16. Ranbot

    Ranbot Pooh-Bah (2,463) Nov 27, 2006 Pennsylvania
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    And we've come full circle... and continue...
    [​IMG]
     
    #156 Ranbot, Dec 31, 2019
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  17. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    What! Are sheep now listed as being beer adjuncts!?!:stuck_out_tongue:

    Cheers!
     
    #157 JackHorzempa, Jan 1, 2020
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  18. rgordon

    rgordon Pooh-Bah (2,701) Apr 26, 2012 North Carolina
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    No, that's a great visual metaphor. Truth is, adjuncts are a mystery, fun to spell and to say.
     
    #158 rgordon, Jan 1, 2020
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  19. HouseofWortship

    HouseofWortship Pooh-Bah (2,735) May 3, 2016 Illinois
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    High stakes musical chairs. Last sheep to get run over wins..
     
    #159 HouseofWortship, Jan 1, 2020
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  20. Roguer

    Roguer Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,811) Mar 25, 2013 Connecticut
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    This is a most infuriating objection.

    The word itself is being used correctly, per the dictionary. As in, proper English. The only objection one can have is how @jesskidden points out that in the brewing industry, it has come to specifically refer to "malt" adjunct, vice being an adjunct in more general terms. (This itself is an evolution and specialization of an extant term, for the record; one could rightfully argue that the brewing industry was abusing the word adjunct all along, if so inclined.)

    If the brewers themselves, however, are frequently using the term by the more general definition, then ... what are you arguing against? Your only basis for assuming "adjunct" as a term must be narrowly applied is the use narrowly adopted by brewing industry. They are literally the authority for using the term in a more specific sense than it is already defined.

    What effort are they contravening in their laziness? What authority are they undermining? If the industry itself determines how the term is used, then how could they possibly be using it incorrectly - especially if they are using it more in line with its actual definition?

    I understand - I do not agree with, but I understand - people who take your position objecting to the layman (i.e. non-brewer, like me) using the term more broadly, but your objection to the industry using the term one way vice another (in this case, more denotative, less connotative), is baffling. It's utterly groundless. The only way you can justify someone using it wrong is because the brewing industry decided to use "adjunct" in a very particular (and peculiar) way, so if they are now using it differently .... again, I'm just baffled at your objection, and insistence that they are incorrect and lazy.

    (Jess' link in post #145 justifies why corn and rice are considered adjuncts, but it does not disprove why other flavorings ( @JackHorzempa ) or additives would also be considered adjuncts under the denotative use of the word.)

    Thank gawd @marquis chimed in with his traditional insistence that language can never change or evolve (without his specific approval, anyway), despite the entire history of his home country proving that language constantly and continuously evolves - whether you want it to, or not.
     
    #160 Roguer, Jan 2, 2020
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