A Wort Study

Discussion in 'Homebrewing' started by TheBeerery, Jan 15, 2020.

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  1. Supergenious

    Supergenious Maven (1,273) May 9, 2011 Michigan

    Is there a purpose to this study? Other just curiosity? In other words, will the results of this study change your brewing process in any way?
     
  2. TheBeerery

    TheBeerery Initiate (0) May 2, 2016 Minnesota

    The main purpose of this is to get any data, I don't know I have ever seen any data on fermentation and or techniques in realtime. If you have any, I am all eyes.
     
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  3. TheBeerery

    TheBeerery Initiate (0) May 2, 2016 Minnesota

  4. dmtaylor

    dmtaylor Savant (1,149) Dec 30, 2003 Wisconsin

    Oxygen is gone in one hour. Wow. Pretty fast. So for my underpitches, maybe it stays in for 2-3 hours. Maybe this matters? :grinning:
     
  5. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Cool data. I'm sure you have lots of variables you're thinking of tinkering with for future runs. A couple that spring to my mind would be:

    - Oxygenate to a much higher level and see if you get the same essentially straight line down to 0 ppm, or if it "never" gets to 0, or if there's a "shelf" in between the initial plunge and later getting to 0. This could help answer the question "Is it possible to over oxygenate?" I believe it is, but many do not.

    - Underpitch and see how/if that changes the DO curve.
     
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  6. TheBeerery

    TheBeerery Initiate (0) May 2, 2016 Minnesota

    The longer the oxygen is in solution the more the wort is subjected to oxidation.

    I could test it for you though, whats an under pitch to you?
     
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  7. TheBeerery

    TheBeerery Initiate (0) May 2, 2016 Minnesota

    Yea, there are a number. But I'm always open for more ideas.

    Oxygenation DO one way or another will get back to 0 in fermentation. It will either be by yeast consumption, by co2 scrubbing during the ferment, or both.

    Not only will the DO curve change, the pH, gravity, and as a result the beer flavor will as well.
     
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  8. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    So, what I'm thinking is, the curve would give some insight into how much longer the wort is subject to oxidation, before it's scrubbed away (or consumed by oxidative reactions).
     
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  9. TheBeerery

    TheBeerery Initiate (0) May 2, 2016 Minnesota

    Good call.
     
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  10. Brewday

    Brewday Zealot (721) Dec 25, 2015 New York

    Are you going to try the shaken/agitated wort method to compare with compressed gas.
     
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  11. dmtaylor

    dmtaylor Savant (1,149) Dec 30, 2003 Wisconsin

    Based on your data it appears that I typically pitch about half as much as you recommend. I may tweak this in future but for now I've been reasonably satisfied with my results. "Lag" time is typically 8-12 hours -- I think you'll say "that's too long".
     
  12. wasatchback

    wasatchback Pooh-Bah (1,574) Jan 12, 2014 Tajikistan
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    Maybe thee highest regarded lager brewery in the US by not only consumers but by well respected professional brewers who have spent plenty of time in Germany doesn’t pitch that high so they must be doing serious damage to their beer?
     
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  13. TheBeerery

    TheBeerery Initiate (0) May 2, 2016 Minnesota

    You are obviously purposefully trying to paint me into a corner. These type of backhanded comments run rampant in this community, and why this whole RDWHAB mantra you deem to live by is a crock of shit. It's petty and childish.

    To answer your question, seriously though however.
    What XZY brewery pitches yeast at, means nothing to anyone, because you don't have the full story. How fresh the yeast is, what they are looking to get out of it, etc. Maybe said brewery (Bierstadt) pitches actively fermenting yeast (krausening) there for since its 100% viable and active it can use a smaller pitch. Maybe they don't. As you could see from my test that was NOT the case for this study. Also having had Bierstadts beers, they are good, but could stand some improvement to be on par with fresh German samples, well the ones I prefer anyways.
    Look, oxidation is a chemical reaction, no matter how bad to want to wish it away or claim it's not a thing, it is, and will continue to happen. It has long before we were here, and will be long after.
    Will a wort or a beer have more oxidation for every millisecond its exposed? Yes
    Is it quantifiable? Absolutely
    Will the wort or beer that was exposed for 1 more millisecond taste different?
    No idea a properly trained sensory analysis would have to be conducted.

    Obviously I could go on for days, but we both know, you didn't really want this answer anyways.
     
  14. utahbeerdude

    utahbeerdude Maven (1,374) May 2, 2006 Utah

    Hey, CP is right, nothing can ruin a beer faster than worrying. Well, maybe that and oxidation!

    Cheers!
     
  15. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I am uncertain about it's effects on the beer but it sure could ruin a perfectly good hobby.

    Cheers!
     
  16. billandsuz

    billandsuz Pooh-Bah (2,097) Sep 1, 2004 New York
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    It's almost as if some people routinely use a dedicated community of homebrewers to promote a business, for free, and some people have the audacity to question the validity of the claims made!

    The nerve of some people. Using this community as a personal platform for discussion and questioning the sincerity of others.

    Of course nobody actually practices RDWHAHB. Thought you knew that. Come on my man! That would be "petty and childish". A "crock of shit" Hypocritical even.
    Just don't say it loudly, OK?

    Cheers
     
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  17. wasatchback

    wasatchback Pooh-Bah (1,574) Jan 12, 2014 Tajikistan
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    You don’t think you’re the one that paints themselves into a corner?

    I’ve been spending plenty of time on all sorts of Internet forums for more than 20 years. I’ve never come across someone that comes off so arrogant, never.

    I believe what you do is phenomenal. I’ve learned tons about brewing beer from your site and your work. It is an unbelievable resource for people wanting to improve all aspects of their beer. My issue is with all the arrogant and narrow minded statements that you make. Statements that basically say there is only one way to do something when there are plenty of people making great beer doing it other ways. How many people here have had your beer? Where are your awards? Did I miss those?

    I guarantee you if you came off with just an ounce of humility there would be a ton more people listening to what you have to say.

    I don’t doubt your beers are phenomenal. It’s just the attitude that you know more than people who are very successful professionals that make a living doing what they do. And not just any professionals, some of the best in the business.

    I’ll be at Bierstadt all week, I’ll ask Bill and Ashley what their yeast handling process is . From everything I can tell they don’t Krausen and what I’ve heard them say their pitch rate is closer to 1.5/1.75 and they step down. But they also decoct, and use a settling tank and all sorts of things that destroy their beer.
     
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  18. TheBeerery

    TheBeerery Initiate (0) May 2, 2016 Minnesota

    You are speaking of your draft business you promote on here right? Because I have no business. :astonished::astonished::astonished:







    Cool! if arrogant is calling people out for the backhanded remarks and sly disses, I'll take it!
    You're welcome for the pointers! Glad they helped.


    Prost!
     
  19. utahbeerdude

    utahbeerdude Maven (1,374) May 2, 2006 Utah

    This thread has destroyed my ability to distinguish sarcasm from nonsarcastic comments, but I do indeed practice RDWHAHB. Best advice ever to homebrewers (not sarcasm).

    I am in no way calling out anyone, but it would be really nice if everyone would leave their egos at home. Most of us are here to learn how to be better homebrewers and to celebrate the hobby. The constant bickering is really tiring. (Also not sarcasm.)

    Cheers!
     
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  20. dmtaylor

    dmtaylor Savant (1,149) Dec 30, 2003 Wisconsin

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