Night Shift - egos & nepotism

So, two anonymous folks are calling people meanies with no specifics or evidence?

 

Oh c'mon, I mean, thanks and all for the info, but the idea behind this hatchet piece, and every hatchet piece, is to put shit out in public that will hurt the company. If it is to force change in the company through bad mouthing them, and arousing public pressure, well, do it with your own name, not hiding behind anonymity. Which, BTW, means that any charges cannot be taken seriously, since there is no way to check if they are true.

Employees are gonna have one view about how to make change in a company, and management has its own view about employees' treatment and responsibility to the company. One side writes the checks and owns the business, the other side works there at the discretion of mgt. is the difference. Been the owner. Been the bottom rung employee grunt. My .02

 

Don’t understand all the backlash against the OP. Whistleblowers are incredibly important and the notion that if they are anonymous, they are inherently lying is incredibly dangerous. Am I advocating “cancelling” night shift? Absolutely not, but in a forum about beer I don’t see the harm in someone in the industry airing their grievances.

 

Whistleblowing is important, the trillium thread with tequila-gate made sense, this... I dunno.

 

I think there is a wide gap between a true "whistleblower" (company fraud, illegal/illicit behavior, etc.) and disagreements with company management/disgruntled employees. Personally, I don't think this is the forum for employees to be airing these types of grievances. As noted earlier, Glassdoor and similar sites would seem to be the more appropriate route. I was having a conversation earlier today with my boss about never wanting to "burn bridges" because you never know who you'll meet again and when. And the craft beer industry is much smaller than the finance industry that I work in.

 

If I join a site today, and pretend to be a disgruntled employee so as to trash a company I don't work for, but that gave me a hard time once when I wanted to return an item for cash with no receipt, how would anyone know the difference between an actual real employee making legitimate claims or my fake post looking to hurt the company anonymously?

 

If that made sense then this makes sense for sure.

 

Apples to oranges.

 

I don’t see the harm, I just have no idea what the fuck OP and her sidekick are talking about. I’m all about breaking out the pitchforks, but they gotta break out the deetz first. You can’t expect me to get outraged about vague innuendo.

 

Do you want like names, addresses, and ssn’s?

 

I've worked for Night Shift for 37 years and not once have I ever been burned...by Rob.

 

Hey thanks for dropping by the NE forum with this smug, condescending response, which fully puts to rest any notion that craft beer culture might be unwelcoming to women.

 

Oh my.

 

Worked in a corporate environment my entire career in all different roles as well. Couldn't have said it better myself.

So is the notion that's true.

The Trillium thread is different in two ways, as you've eluded to. First, there were very specific issues that were mentioned, some of them illegal. Second, the whistle blower had been on this forum for years. The two posters here curiously joined this week.

Not saying these claims are or aren't true, but so far there's no evidence of either, or any specific details. So I will continue to look at this with indifference.

 

No, I was thinking more like some basic facts: what was complained about, in what way was management hostile, how were other people supposedly forced out, stuff like that. All I’ve got so far are vague claims about management undermining people and not being supportive. I generally take employees’ sides in these things, and I tend to believe there may be truth to what OP is claiming. I just don’t hear anything tangible that I can get upset about.

 

Yeah shame on you for making an unbiased and reasonable argument on the internet. Thanks boomer...

 

How are people who never post here even finding this thread? Everyone's spider sense told them there was a woman in need of correcting?

 

With people clamoring for names and details in this thread, I think it's worth pointing out the power asymmetry between employees and employers in a situation like this. Our economy and culture tend to treat employers and employees as equal parties to a contract, and in theory, that's true. In practice, however, things aren't so simple. An employer can fire a worker and all that's lost is profit or the potential for profit. But when a worker loses her job, her livelihood is disrupted. Moreover, if the now former employer wishes to, s/he can often also torpedo the now former employee's prospects for finding a suitable job with another business in the industry.

Therefore, when the worker is in an industry where news travels fast and people know each other, like craft beer, and especially if she suspects her current boss to have vindictive traits, there may be very good reasons for wanting to keep her name and any potentially identifying details of the episode(s) in question obscure. And, while approaching HR, etc. is one approach for addressing grievances, when that has not worked, as seems to be the case here, airing those grievances in a public forum to call attention to bad business practices and try to change them through market pressure is a completely reasonable next step. Firing an employee destroys her bottom line. Targeting an employer's bottom line through public pressure is the employee's only way to regain level footing in the power relationship between the two parties.

All this to say: people without knowledge of this situation should probably consider the dynamics at play before completely writing off the complainant as an ungrateful never-do-well.

 

I thought it was a man?

 

It's 2020, people. Let's chill out with the gender specific names.