Who's responsibility

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  1. izzyismyrott

    izzyismyrott Savant (1,052) Jan 5, 2015 Indiana
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    I've waited a handful of trades before I ask this question to keep it anonymous.
    I'm also going to keep it somewhat vague.

    Who's responsibility is it, the one ISO or the person with the FT?

    So awhile back I had a trade that was for a certain style of beer and got a few responses. One response was very exciting, they had several choices from a popular brewery known for making similar styles of my ISO. We easily came to an agreement, all was good. When I get my box opened I noticed that the bottles were the older labels, so I look closer and see numbers that I assume are the bottled date. I look the beers up on Beer Advocate and see they are retired and haven't been brewed for 5-6 years now. I don't think I would have done this trade if I would have known or at least I would have asked for a more even bottle for bottle trade.
    So back to my question... should the FTer tell me about of the age on the beers or is it all on me?
    I do blame myself, I'm am experienced trader and I should know what I'm trading for.
    Kinda frustrated just wanted to vent.

    Cheers
     
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  2. unlikelyspiderperson

    unlikelyspiderperson Grand Pooh-Bah (3,966) Mar 12, 2013 California
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    I think anytime the FT isn't offering reasonably fresh beer for the style it is on them to make that clear. Considering they are that old I assume its a style that someone might age on purpose but to throw 5 year old beer undeclared into a trade is on that person. I would feel the need to tell a potential trader that some beers I had were 3 or 4 months old if we were trading for anything fairly light, hoppy, and local to US
     
  3. Yabu

    Yabu Savant (1,150) Feb 4, 2015 California
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    It's in the Grey area, but I'd say it's on the FT unloading.
    5-6 years old, isn't cool unless it's bourbon County stuff.

    What bottles did he try to unload on you? I'd say OP should get neutral feedback for pulling a fast one.
     
  4. MattOC

    MattOC Pooh-Bah (2,100) Jan 13, 2013 Massachusetts
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    OP, I'd put a little responsibility on you. I try to ask for the latest batch if I am trading for a specific beer or if someone is trading for IPAs, ones that are within specific range of freshness they are comfortable with. I then confirm batches and dates when we finalize the trade. That way everyone is on the same page with what beer is being sent.

    Of course, not knowing the beers or styles you traded for, even then, unless you specifically asked for aged versions, I'd always want the freshest and as a trade partner I would try to ensure that is what I was sending. That said, sending retired, very old beers, even if they are a style/beer considered okay to age, is completely unacceptable especially if that wasn't discussed and the FT sent them without disclosing that info.

    It's a bummer, but try to be as specific as possible with dates and batches, etc. Did you ever reach out to person after and ask what the deal was with the bottles they sent?
     
  5. jhavs

    jhavs Grand Pooh-Bah (3,587) Apr 16, 2015 New York
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    If I was sending them I would make sure my trade partner knew the age, but I do see how this could occur differently.

    If the beers truly had not been brewed for 5-6 years, and they were named and discussed in the negotiating process, its possible the trade partner assumed that you realized they were retired beers and knew about the age. By this I mean that it could have been an innocent mistake.

    Personally I always try to communicate as much as possible and not assume that my trade partner knows everything about every beer that is involved in the trade. One example from my experiences is when Tree House puts some of their core beers into the old school can designs with the sticker label. I made sure my trade partner knew they were not old and that this batch was put in the old style cans. (some people collect cans and may prefer one style over the other).

    So I didn't really give you an answer, it could have been a jerk move or could have been an assumption that you knew the beers were last made 5-6 years ago. I would be interested in knowing what beers you are talking about.
     
  6. jrnyc

    jrnyc Grand Pooh-Bah (3,012) Mar 21, 2010 New York
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    You explicitly agreed on the specific beer? Would have been nice if trader told you it hadn’t been brewed in 5 years. But you should have done your homework on this. What’s the saying, let the buyer beware.

    But your post says older labels, so there was a batch of this brewed after the bottles you got? You need to be more specific on this trade here for people to give a more informed opinion.
     
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  7. sjguglielmo

    sjguglielmo Zealot (522) Aug 26, 2009 Minnesota
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    I agree that it's hard to weigh in without more info here. My view, like what @jrnyc said, is that if the beer hasn't been brewed at all in 5 years, then it's your responsibility to know this. If it's been brewed more recently, then I would have expected the trader to let you know that they were sending an older batch. Even in that case, though, I'd say that you bear some responsibility for knowing that there are multiple batches and for inquiring about which one the trader has.
     
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  8. KevinJohnson2

    KevinJohnson2 Savant (1,049) Jul 8, 2013 Michigan
    Society Trader

    Do you mind sharing what style of beer it was?

    Regardless of that, my personal opinion is that the majority of responsibility is on your shoulders here. You're always responsible for knowing what you're trading for and if that specific beer hadn't been brewed in over five years, it's probably something you should have been aware of heading into the trade.
     
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  9. pilotpsk

    pilotpsk Aspirant (281) Apr 8, 2017 New York
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    One piece of advice that I would give is to always as for pictures. If there is any doubt, a quick picture or two will clear everything up. With that said, if the beer hasn't been brewed in 5-6 years, then I think it's the OP responsibility to know what you are trading for. However, if that beer is a yearly release and you got a 2015 vintage instead of a 2020 vintage, then that's on the OPs partner.
     
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  10. izzyismyrott

    izzyismyrott Savant (1,052) Jan 5, 2015 Indiana
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    I definitely know better, I normally look up the beer before I agree to a trade if it something I hadn't tried before. I would have saw that it's retired and I would have asked the date/age question. Probably just got excited to get what I thought I was looking for from a brewery I want to try.

    I going to assume he thought I knew what I was trading for. I'm pushing 60 trades now. I know to do my homework. Still I wish he would have told me.
    I believe the last written review was from the January of 2017 for 1 and June of 2017 for the other.

    The beer I traded for was a certain kind of barrel aged stout.
    And as far as the older label, it's similar to Funky Buddha changing Last Buffalo labels to the new one.
    Like I said this is 99% on me, he responded to my post with a list. I made him an offer without looking up what I was trading for. All me.
    I guess what I'm going to take away from this is, just get back to being thorough with my trades. Not that he was trying to unload old beers, I need to be sure what I'm getting.
    Cheers
     
  11. izzyismyrott

    izzyismyrott Savant (1,052) Jan 5, 2015 Indiana
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    And for all we know they could have aged perfectly.
    Thanks and cheers
    Jake
     
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  12. dmbforever

    dmbforever Initiate (0) May 8, 2013 Wisconsin
    Trader

    I'm gonna lock this up. Looks like there was enough advice for OP from the community.

    Cheers!
     
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