Russian River (2020)

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  1. MonkeyBread

    MonkeyBread Maven (1,308) Apr 26, 2014 Nevada
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    I hate to be a downer but is any beer really worth a 5-6 hour wait in a line. I wouldn’t even think of waiting 30 minutes for a beer. There’s so many amazing beers out there any single one just can’t stand out that impressively above the rest. Never had PtY but I don’t have any FOMO about it. Have fun to those willing to wait that long and enjoy though.
     
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  2. NWer

    NWer Pooh-Bah (2,145) Mar 10, 2009 Washington
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    Well, I could go to Twist. It would be a much shorter drive for me, walk right in no line, drink my fill. But this time I'm willing to take my chances it won't be that bad by Tuesday or Wednesday. Besides, bottles... Leaving Seattle in about an hour.
     
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  3. iamthecarlos

    iamthecarlos Initiate (0) Jan 2, 2015 California

    I just kept thinking “welp, there’s hundreds of stupid fucking idiots here, just like me!”
     
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  4. thuey

    thuey Pooh-Bah (1,705) Nov 13, 2015 California
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    I guess I don't understand why people are surprised that in prior years without PtY bottles the wait would be 4-8 hours, that this year with PtY bottles the wait would increase.

    That's kinda the point, and RRBC is smart enough to keep themselves on the hype train.
     
  5. John_M

    John_M Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,849) Oct 25, 2003 Washington
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    Count me in as one of the people who are a bit surprised by this. My impression has been that the fascination with PtY has gradually subsided over time. It's been around for a while now, and it's not barrel aged or hazy. Currently, it seems to be hanging on to it's spot in the BA top 10 by its finger tips (at number 8). Also, with the opening of the Windsor location, I thought that would take a lot of the pressure off of the SR location, and so lines would be shorter. That seemed to be the case last year when I swung by the Windsor location (got there on day one at around 11:30 and got in after a 50 minute wait).

    While I figured the availability of bottles for the first time would likely bolster the size of the lines this year, reports of people waiting 9 and 10 hours at the Windsor location caught me by surprise. Not that it matters, but it's not something I would have expected.
     
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  6. kbenson

    kbenson Zealot (711) Aug 15, 2012 Colorado

    Don't they have a line just to buy bottles? Why does it take 5-6 hours to run through a line of people just to buy some beer?
     
  7. spark3148857

    spark3148857 Pooh-Bah (1,595) Dec 4, 2010 Ohio
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    You have to go through the whole experience of sitting down and having the beer/food in order to purchase bottles.
     
  8. bret27

    bret27 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,064) Mar 10, 2009 California
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    I’m sure there there was a good reason to make the line setup the way they did, but.... it’s gotta be really frustrating for all the beer fans that just want to buy some beer.
     
  9. thuey

    thuey Pooh-Bah (1,705) Nov 13, 2015 California
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    Because it's not fun for people to have to wait hours in one line, only to jump into a different line for another couple hours.

    You have to also realize this is not just a beer sale, but these two weeks are an economy boost to the entire city of Santa Rosa (and I guess Windsor). The impact is way beyond just RRBC.
     
  10. MonkeyBread

    MonkeyBread Maven (1,308) Apr 26, 2014 Nevada
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    I’m fascinated by the decision Russian River makes over how to distribute this beer and only make it once per year. I don’t know the ingredient bill but I would have to imagine that is not the limiting factor and if they wanted to they could make PtY every week. So if the decision to force anyone in the line to order from the bar, stay a certain amount of time, take a tour, etc. before getting bottles is to drive people to stay locally and boost tourism to the city, should they consider doing a second release each year? Seems like could still maintain the hype and scarcity but drive more tourism business to their local community. There’s pros and cons but interesting how RRBC makes that decision.

    Another one would be why release other popular beers like Beautification the same time as PtY. Seems like it would be wiser to space that out at a different time unless you felt like you had to pull out all the stops to get as much traffic during these two weeks as possible. But with 5-10 hour waits it appears they’ve gotten more than enough traffic. Maybe everyone underestimated how much demand there would be with the ability to get bottles this year.
     
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  11. John_M

    John_M Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,849) Oct 25, 2003 Washington
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    Vinnie has stated that it's very costly and time consuming to brew younger, and that they don't make any money off of it. Assuming that's true, that probably answers your question.
     
  12. kbenson

    kbenson Zealot (711) Aug 15, 2012 Colorado

    With all the adjuncts, multiple rounds of hopping and/or barrel aging so many beers undergo these days, I no longer find this position to be as tenable as I once might have.
     
  13. fegelFatso

    fegelFatso Pundit (949) Jun 23, 2013 California

    So I went to the Younger Release on Saturday, and I have a few thoughts/observations. Please note that some of these are just opinions/speculations.

    First off, the beer itself was fantastic. Hoppy, boozy, and a hint of sweetness. Still one of my favorite beers of all time.

    The Staff were excellent as well. It didn't seem like anyone was rude, impatient, or aloof. From our bartender, barback, and server, it was a pleasant experience.

    The tour was awesome... and yes, there was a pour of Younger on it. Ironically, Amanda, our tour guide, was my tour guide last year when I came up for Younger. Definitely worth the $15.

    However, the unpleasant part of it all is that there was absolutely no reason the wait at Windsor should be that long. I get Santa Rosa because the space is limited, but Windsor is a huge facility with a lot of space for drinking... it makes absolutely no sense to me why the beer garden was shut down, the side tasting room wasn't utilized (it was closed after 7pm), and even the restaurant itself wasn't overly full (they didn't let you in until they had a table for you... which absolutely slowed down the line). I understand the desire to enforce the 3-hour limit, but the whole purpose of the limit is supposed to help the line go faster... the measures that Windsor took to enforce the limit, if anything, slowed the line down even further. This is clearly an opinion, but it honestly felt like the set-up was specifically designed to cause a long, slow moving line. That was the only bad feeling I got out of it overall.

    Still got my Pliny... still got my bottles... but I felt so bad subjecting my wife to a 12 hour wait when I thought it would be, at worst, 4-5 hours.
     
  14. unlikelyspiderperson

    unlikelyspiderperson Grand Pooh-Bah (3,966) Mar 12, 2013 California
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    May be a generational difference in brewers too. For Vinnie, all that extra hopping and malt cost might seem extravagant. While for a newer brewer that might all seem like par for the course.
    Also, I am under the impression that part of the purpose for the Windsor expansion was to make their beer generally more available so I would expect that Pty will become more easily available. I think the first ever bottling run was the big driver this year
     
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  15. QuakeAttack

    QuakeAttack Pooh-Bah (2,353) Mar 19, 2012 California
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    Anyone going during this week? It would be interesting to hear whether the experience changes much from this past weekend. I'm thinking of going next Monday (2/17).
     
  16. dangsdunks

    dangsdunks Initiate (0) Jun 13, 2017 California

    They made 25000 bottles minimum since they dedicated 150 barrels for bottling. I'm thinking there will be some leftover next week.
     
  17. annakarina

    annakarina Savant (1,003) Jul 29, 2016 California

    I honestly can't believe you guys are spending 9-12 hours waiting around for a couple bottles of beer.
     
  18. iamthecarlos

    iamthecarlos Initiate (0) Jan 2, 2015 California

    Vinnie loves a spectacle, that's for sure.

    Bruh... it's about the experience :stuck_out_tongue:

    ...my journey in the area this weekend was way more fun and convoluted. I am not broadcasting it here haha.
     
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  19. John_M

    John_M Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,849) Oct 25, 2003 Washington
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    It's a mystery to me as well, but...

    In February 2010 I went to the annual Kate the Great release. Given that it was Winter in the North East, and a snow and ice storm was predicted that weekend, I thought the line might not be too bad. Mind you, this was in order to obtain 2 bombers each of this beer. If memory serves, sales were supposed to start at 8:00 that morning, and I set my alarm for 5:00, hoping that would allow me time to get in line in order to get a couple bottles. No such luck. Fortunately for me, a buddy of mine sent me a text, warning me what had happened. As it turned out, people started lining up a bit before midnight, in what was some very cold and inclement weather. The folks at Portsmouth Brewing were so concerned by this behavior, that they decided to move up the start time, as they didn't want people standing in line outside over night (which apparently a large number of people had planned to do). So as if turned out, I think they were completely sold out by 1:00 or 1:30 in the morning.

    My point being that yeah, I think waiting 9 or 12 hours to obtain a couple bottles of beer is pretty crazy, but I've seen much worse, and it's obviously just one of those things some people have no problem doing. Each to their own.
     
  20. dangsdunks

    dangsdunks Initiate (0) Jun 13, 2017 California

    It's all about rarity. I'll stand in line for a stout that uses expensive ingredients and i know they only made 500 bottles but to stand in line for an IPA with a bottle count of 25000. F that
     
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